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From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: MS-Windows build broken in Fmake_network_process
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2010 00:28:01 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ljd8se7y.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83bpe4zy13.fsf@gnu.org>

Eli Zaretskii writes:
 > > From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
 > > Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:57:31 +0900
 > > Cc: Óscar Fuentes <ofv@wanadoo.es>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
 > > 
 > > Richard Stallman writes:
 > > 
 > >  > However, it is not a high priority for us, because supporting any
 > >  > version of Windows is not a high priority for us.  We have no
 > >  > commitment to support Windows 9, or Windows 7, or any version of
 > >  > Windows.  People work on this if they want to do it, and they can
 > >  > choose which platforms to support.
 > > 
 > > The point is that some developers find the very need to make the
 > > choice (eg, having to parse #ifdefs that refer to Windows-related
 > > code) annoying
 > 
 > I fail to see how these #ifdefs should be more annoying than similar
 > ones for Posix systems.

Nobody said that they were more annoying than other #ifdefs, only that
they are more annoying than no #ifdefs.  Haven't you recently removed
quite a few #ifdefs and #defines in the process of pruning away code
for supporting extinct *nix systems?  I know we have.

 > And the issue in this thread was not about dropping Windows support
 > altogether, only about supporting older Windows systems, which
 > contribute no #ifdefs whatsoever.

Whatever.  Eli, one of the reasons I work on XEmacs, not SXEmacs, is
that SXEmacs made the choice to remove *all* Windows support.  It's a
decision I disagree with, personally.  But I acknowledge their
motivation, and I think you and Richard are making a mistake by
ignoring the costs those #ifdefs and maintenance of the Windows code
do impose on non-Windows developers, and saying that it's only an
issue of whether Windows developers want to support it or not.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-03-31 15:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-03-26 15:22 MS-Windows build broken in Fmake_network_process Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-26 15:48 ` Helmut Eller
2010-03-26 17:56   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-26 18:05     ` Helmut Eller
2010-03-26 18:09       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-26 18:17         ` Helmut Eller
2010-03-26 20:05           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-26 21:14             ` Helmut Eller
2010-03-27  8:50               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-27 10:09                 ` Helmut Eller
2010-03-27 11:11                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-27 13:56                     ` Helmut Eller
2010-03-27  0:48             ` Chong Yidong
2010-03-27  7:42               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-27 16:49                 ` Jason Rumney
2010-03-27 16:55                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-27 22:28                     ` Christoph
2010-03-28  0:12                       ` Florian Beck
2010-03-28  0:37                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-03-28  7:26                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-28 18:55                             ` Chong Yidong
2010-03-28 20:10                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-28 23:23                                 ` Jason Rumney
2010-03-29 23:39                           ` Richard Stallman
2010-03-31  4:57                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-03-31  8:38                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-31 10:38                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-03-31 11:19                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-31 15:39                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-03-31 16:39                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-03-31 17:30                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-03-31 17:36                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-03-31 18:05                                         ` OT: (was: MS-Windows build broken in Fmake_network_process) Stefan Monnier
2010-03-31 15:28                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2010-03-31 16:12                                   ` MS-Windows build broken in Fmake_network_process Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-31 16:59                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-03-31 17:27                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-31 18:08                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-04-06  7:50                             ` David Kastrup
2010-04-07  3:21                               ` Richard Stallman
2010-04-07  7:59                                 ` David Kastrup
2010-03-28  0:39                         ` Christoph
2010-03-28  7:21                           ` Windows 9X compatibility Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-28 14:59                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-03-28 15:24                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-28 15:56                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-28 16:09                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-03-28 18:03                                   ` joakim
2010-03-29 23:39                                     ` Richard Stallman
2010-03-28 19:57                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-03-28 20:32                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-28 22:26                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-03-28 19:27                             ` Christoph
2010-03-28 20:18                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-28 21:04                                 ` Christoph
2010-03-28  7:17                       ` Windows 9X compatibility (was: MS-Windows build broken in Fmake_network_process) Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-28  7:33                     ` MS-Windows build broken in Fmake_network_process Jason Rumney
2010-03-28  8:12                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-29 23:39                         ` Richard Stallman
2010-03-28  9:11                   ` Serious performance problem with process output on Mac OSX Christian Lynbech
2010-03-28 14:41                     ` Adrian Robert
2010-03-29 21:58                       ` Adrian Robert
2010-03-29 23:26                         ` David Reitter
2010-03-29 23:54                         ` Chong Yidong
2010-03-30  7:43                           ` Adrian Robert
2010-03-30 13:05                             ` David Reitter
2010-03-30 17:39                               ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2010-03-30 17:47                                 ` Chong Yidong
2010-03-31  2:38                                   ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2010-03-31  4:00                                     ` Chong Yidong
2010-03-31 13:41                                       ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2010-03-31 14:28                                         ` Chong Yidong
2010-03-31 14:29                                         ` Adrian Robert
2010-03-29 23:48                   ` MS-Windows build broken in Fmake_network_process Davis Herring
2010-03-30  5:41                     ` Jason Rumney
2010-03-26 23:03           ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-03-27  0:51 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-03-27  8:44   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-27 13:01     ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-03-27 13:18       ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-03-28 17:29     ` Kim F. Storm

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