From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs learning curve Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:52:56 +0900 Message-ID: <87lj9cuohj.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: <4C3DF076.1000208@gmx.de> <8C32E8077A2247548528D6657198F388@us.oracle.com> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279248787 11126 80.91.229.12 (16 Jul 2010 02:53:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 02:53:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: grishka@gmx.de, Drew Adams , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 16 04:53:05 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZb2u-0006ah-RB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 04:53:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48437 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OZb2u-0007mp-D3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 22:53:04 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=56685 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OZb2p-0007mh-MX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 22:53:00 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZb2o-0005eA-Ok for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 22:52:59 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp12.dentaku.gol.com ([203.216.5.74]:42186) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZb2o-0005dx-Gc; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 22:52:58 -0400 Original-Received: from 218.231.253.29.eo.eaccess.ne.jp ([218.231.253.29] helo=catnip.gol.com) by smtp12.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) id 1OZb2m-0003MH-RK; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:52:56 +0900 Original-Received: by catnip.gol.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AF647DF8A; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:52:56 +0900 (JST) System-Type: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Thu, 15 Jul 2010 21:31:26 -0400") Original-Lines: 22 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127405 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > Since Emacs has scroll bars, and no hand pointers, it would be more > consistent today if the scroll commands were named identifying with > the view. The change could be made compatibly by choosing new names > such as scroll-view-down and scroll-view-up. > > Still, I am not sure it is worth the transient. Ordinary use of Emacs > doesn't involve knowing the names of these commands, so I don't think > they could be a real obstacle to learning to use it. Even it's not worth any real "change", I think just adding the more explicitly named command names (with the non-explicit names as aliases) would be generally very useful for people that want to bind them themselves or use them in lisp. Despite using emacs for decades, I'm _still_ a little confused by the direction of "scroll-up"... :O (which I suppose confirms your point that nobody actually looks at them :). -Miles -- Kilt, n. A costume sometimes worn by Scotchmen [sic] in America and Americans in Scotland.