From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: moving more cl seq/mapping support into core Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 09:12:23 +0200 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <87lj6hf4q0.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <4CA52B36.6060405@gmail.com> <87vd5m1u1u.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <4CA646ED.4070101@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1286003565 15768 80.91.229.12 (2 Oct 2010 07:12:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 07:12:45 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 02 09:12:44 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P1wGx-0003zS-Ah for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2010 09:12:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52660 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1P1wGw-0008NZ-Jc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2010 03:12:42 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=48768 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1P1wGp-0008NS-Gf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2010 03:12:36 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P1wGo-00011u-I5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2010 03:12:35 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:40465) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P1wGo-00011D-Cd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2010 03:12:34 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P1wGl-0003uI-3t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2010 09:12:31 +0200 Original-Received: from p508eb99d.dip.t-dialin.net ([80.142.185.157]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 02 Oct 2010 09:12:31 +0200 Original-Received: from dak by p508eb99d.dip.t-dialin.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 02 Oct 2010 09:12:31 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 20 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p508eb99d.dip.t-dialin.net X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:sSXH4DrC5QIDFEgwca+jgL9TTiE= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:131215 Archived-At: Daniel Colascione writes: > On 9/30/2010 8:16 PM, Miles Bader wrote: >> Daniel Colascione writes: >>> CL really should be dumped along with Emacs proper. >> >> cl.el is a combination of good useful things that and horrible ugly >> things (this isn't a comment on the CL language, btw -- many of the >> problems with cl.el are issue with its implementation and consistency >> with elisp). > > Can you point to a few examples? Parts of cl are ugly (the common use of > make-symbol instead of gensym, for example, makes macroexpansions > difficult to read). But those don't affect functionality or interaction > with other packages. That should be possible to solve with lex-bind. -- David Kastrup