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From: "Óscar Fuentes" <ofv@wanadoo.es>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Stuart Hacking <stuhacking@gmail.com>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org, Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>,
	Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>,
	Deniz Dogan <deniz.a.m.dogan@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Bikeshedding go! Why is <M-f4> unbound?
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 04:59:26 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87lj2pfo81.fsf@wanadoo.es> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvy66pfs10.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Wed, 12 Jan 2011 21:42:11 -0500")

Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

[snip]

>> This is where the idea of binding M-f4 in Emacs came up. Whether it's
>> a good one or a bad one, I don't know...
>
> Maybe binding it (in w32) to handle-delete-frame would be a good way to
> implement the expected behavior, indeed.  But first, we need to know how
> it's normally implemented in standard confirming applications.

When Alt-F4 is pressed, the event is sent to the application as any
other keypress. The application can handle the event as it pleases
(that's the case of Emacs) or delegate the handling of that event to
Windows, which performs standard actions for certain well-known
events. But please note that the event is sent to the application first
and the OS executes the standard associated action only when the
application delegates the event handling to it. This differs from KDE,
which handles Al-F4 and Emacs never sees it

This is the typical event loop of a Windows application (pseudocode):

switch(event) {
case foo: do_something(); break;
case bar: do_something_else(); break;
/* More case's for all events we are interested on */
...
/* Let Windows handle all the rest: */
default: let_Windows_process_it()
}

When Alt-F4 is delegated to Windows, it generates events for closing the
active window.

On Windows, if the Emacs system menu is activated (you click the icon
just above the File menu) it shows a standard entry "Close Alt-F4". But
then you press Alt-F4 and Emacs reports on the modeline "<M-f4> is
undefined".



  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-01-13  3:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-01-05 14:48 Bikeshedding go! Why is <M-f4> unbound? Deniz Dogan
2011-01-05 15:29 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-05 17:11   ` Deniz Dogan
2011-01-05 17:30     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-05 17:36       ` Deniz Dogan
2011-01-05 18:15         ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-09 22:00           ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-10  1:01             ` Drew Adams
2011-01-10  1:46               ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-10  3:01                 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-10  3:08                   ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-12 13:53               ` Stuart Hacking
2011-01-12 15:01                 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-12 15:54                   ` Deniz Dogan
2011-01-12 17:17                     ` Drew Adams
2011-01-12 20:29                       ` Chad Brown
2011-01-12 20:32                     ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-12 20:42                       ` Deniz Dogan
2011-01-13  2:42                         ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-13  3:13                           ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-13  3:59                           ` Óscar Fuentes [this message]
2011-01-13  4:15                             ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-13 13:13                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-13 16:57                             ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-13 18:05                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-13 21:15                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-13 22:00                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-14  0:12                                     ` Jason Rumney
2011-01-14  0:21                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-14  5:02                                         ` Jason Rumney
2011-01-14  8:28                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-13 22:18                               ` Drew Adams
2011-01-13 22:30                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-13 22:47                                   ` Drew Adams
2011-01-13 23:04                                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-13 23:14                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-14  9:25                                     ` Giorgos Keramidas
2011-01-14  9:43                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-13 22:53                                 ` Stuart Hacking
2011-01-13 23:10                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-14  0:13                                 ` Jason Rumney
2011-01-14  1:35                                   ` Drew Adams
2011-01-14  5:08                                     ` Jason Rumney
2011-01-14 10:49                             ` PJ Weisberg
2011-01-14 15:21                               ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-14 15:48                               ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-15  0:07                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-15 11:41                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-16 21:49                                   ` Drew Adams
     [not found]                                     ` <227F94B0AC1649C1A41082A24!9921783@us.oracle!! .com>
     [not found]                                     ` <227F94B0AC1649C1A41082A24!9921783@us.oracle!! !  .com>
     [not found]                                     ` <227F94B0AC1649C1A41082A24! 9921783@us.oracle! .com>
2011-01-16 23:53                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17  1:40                                       ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17  1:52                                         ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17  8:32                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 18:22                                           ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 18:36                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 19:02                                               ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 19:27                                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18  3:20                                                 ` Bikeshedding "user choice" Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-01-18  5:29                                                   ` Drew Adams
2011-01-18  6:11                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-01-18 17:45                                                       ` Drew Adams
2011-01-19  4:59                                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-01-19 19:34                                                           ` Drew Adams
2011-01-18  8:06                                                 ` Bikeshedding go! Why is <M-f4> unbound? jasonr
2011-01-17 19:27                                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-17 20:24                                               ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17  2:27                                     ` Jason Rumney
2011-01-17 18:21                                       ` Drew Adams
2011-01-16 21:49                                 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-14 17:58                               ` Drew Adams
2011-01-14 20:27                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-14 22:24                                   ` Drew Adams
     [not found]                                     ` <D727BC7268A24AF7B9544FD4E0B74E11@us! .oracle.com>
2011-01-14 22:43                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-16 21:49                                       ` Drew Adams
2011-01-16 23:49                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17  0:33                                           ` Philipp Haselwarter
2011-01-17  1:41                                             ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17  1:45                                           ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17  8:29                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17  8:47                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-01-17  9:23                                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 18:22                                                 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 18:22                                               ` Drew Adams
2011-01-15  2:38                                 ` PJ Weisberg
2011-01-16 21:49                                   ` Drew Adams
2011-01-10 10:15             ` Dimitri Fontaine
2011-01-05 15:31 ` Christopher Allan Webber
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-01-14  1:20 grischka
2011-01-17 12:06 grischka
2011-01-17 12:23 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 14:37 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-17 16:56   ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18  3:03 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-01-18  9:11   ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18 12:10   ` grischka
2011-01-17 20:31 Drew Adams
2011-01-17 20:53 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 21:56   ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 22:23     ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 23:17       ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 23:58         ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18  0:36           ` Drew Adams
2011-01-18  0:47             ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18  1:20               ` Drew Adams
2011-01-18  1:38                 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18  3:14                   ` Drew Adams
2011-01-18  4:06                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-01-18  9:36 grischka
2011-01-18 12:58 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-18 13:15   ` grischka
2011-01-18 13:27     ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-18 17:20       ` Drew Adams
2011-01-19 10:08         ` Stuart Hacking
2011-01-19 19:37           ` Drew Adams
2011-01-20  1:00             ` PJ Weisberg
2011-01-20 17:12               ` Drew Adams
2011-01-20 20:10                 ` PJ Weisberg
2011-01-18 13:33     ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18 13:51       ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-18 17:40         ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18 17:52           ` Óscar Fuentes

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