From: Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: can `shuffle-vector' be moved?
Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 11:22:42 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87liyawox9.fsf@lifelogs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: jwvr582639j.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org
On Fri, 13 May 2011 12:26:34 -0300 Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:
>> OK. Can there be a cl-macs-extras.el for "general cl-macs based code
>> that is safe to include in ELisp code"?
SM> I really have no idea why you want it in cl-macs:
SM> 1- the "macs" part refers to "macros", your function isn't one.
SM> 2- it does not provide a CL-style function.
SM> 3- using a CL macro in its definition is a property share by a lot more
SM> code than just the CL code. And actually, the cl*.el files tend not
SM> to use CL features, to avoid circular dependencies.
I was trying to say "miscellaneous functions that require cl-macs.el."
I think the value of the loop-based `shuffle' is code brevity and
clarity; otherwise it's no better than `shuffle-vector' and has a
startup penalty if you don't have cl-macs.el loaded. So if you don't
think it's worth keeping it around for those qualities, I have no
problem with dropping it.
>> but that's an inconsistency all the cookie1.el functions have.
SM> The only other function I see in cookie1.el that does not use the
SM> "cookie-" prefix is "read-cookie", which is borderline acceptable (we
SM> have a few such "shared prefixes" like "turn-on-").
I mean that they all have the "cookie-" prefix while the package is
called cookie1.el.
SM> So, `shuffle-vector' does indeed stand out. And the fact that it's
SM> autoloaded is a clear sign it is intended to be used by other
SM> packages. But I see no good place to put it right now, and I don't
SM> think it deserves creating a "misc-lib.el" for itself (although some
SM> of the functions in subr.el might be good candidates for such a new
SM> package).
Yes, maybe we're at the tipping point where it's worth breaking up
subr.el into subr-vec.el, subr-list.el, subr-alist.el, etc. OTOH it's
nice to have them in one place.
Ted
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-05-13 16:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-05-12 19:58 can `shuffle-vector' be moved? Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-13 2:03 ` Leo
2011-05-13 2:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-05-13 3:49 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-13 13:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-05-13 3:53 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-13 6:00 ` Kevin Rodgers
2011-05-13 14:48 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-13 15:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-05-13 16:22 ` Ted Zlatanov [this message]
2011-05-13 16:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-05-13 16:51 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-13 6:19 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2011-05-13 14:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-05-13 14:38 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-13 17:13 ` Thierry Volpiatto
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