From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: just-the-text Emacs frame Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 06:40:36 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87lixji1mz.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87aaebbndz.fsf@lifelogs.com> <4DDDA5A7.6040109@siege-engine.com> <87boyp5vyi.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87mxi8xq6y.fsf@lifelogs.com> <874o4ebtq0.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <87vcwpsa6y.fsf@lifelogs.com> <871uzccr2k.fsf@lifelogs.com> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1307105012 28611 80.91.229.12 (3 Jun 2011 12:43:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 12:43:32 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 03 14:43:28 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QSTip-0001B4-Hd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 14:43:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48586 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QSTio-0004Am-Gk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 08:43:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:51141) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QSSoP-0006yK-DM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 07:45:10 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QSSoN-0001XF-J8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 07:45:09 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:40649) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QSSoN-0001Wb-1u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 07:45:07 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QSSoK-0007q7-Ta for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 13:45:04 +0200 Original-Received: from c-67-186-102-106.hsd1.il.comcast.net ([67.186.102.106]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 13:45:04 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by c-67-186-102-106.hsd1.il.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 13:45:04 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 34 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-67-186-102-106.hsd1.il.comcast.net X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:zjy4nhGE8A81Tnqz9F634t70iBs= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 80.91.229.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:140121 Archived-At: On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 11:24:48 +0200 Julien Danjou wrote: JD> On Thu, Jun 02 2011, Ted Zlatanov wrote: >> I always thought frame decorations came from the window manager; is >> there a way to tell it "I draw my own title bar"? I think Google Chrome >> does that. If there's a frame property we can add at the C level to >> hint this, it would make emacs-panel popups better and probably be nice >> for Emacs in general. JD> What you may want ultimately, is to be able to set various window types¹ JD> on an Emacs frame. JD> Setting an Emacs frame the type DOCK will allow it to be attracted to JD> one of the frame edge, directly by the window manager. Setting it the JD> STRUT parameter will allow to reserve some place in the screen. That would be useful, although I still want to directly set the GTK decorated and deletable properties. All of these abilities will combine to give emacs-panel.el the flexibility it needs to provide a desktop environment. JD> I've started to work on that 6 months ago, my work is available in a JD> branch². I can't recall if it's working totally, but I remember it was JD> at least in a good way. However it might be a start. JD> ¹ http://standards.freedesktop.org/wm-spec/wm-spec-latest.html#id2551529 JD> ² http://git.naquadah.org/?p=~jd/emacs.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/jd/strut-dock I would really like it if someone who works with the Emacs GTK code could look at your work. It would be really useful to me and seems like a low-risk feature. Ted