From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Issues with emacs Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 11:47:40 +0200 Organization: Informatimago Message-ID: <87lijecqbn.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> References: <87vcijcqqj.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <83c8afcc-bf74-4dcc-bb3f-8e24766ebf30@oe8g2000pbb.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1340445016 19752 80.91.229.3 (23 Jun 2012 09:50:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 09:50:16 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 23 11:50:14 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SiMyq-0000xo-Ao for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 11:50:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53413 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SiMyq-00059S-Al for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 05:50:12 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 28 Original-X-Trace: individual.net lG4iPipeWD+QU0ttdIB7BgRXX0t9GAXFg5xaVLTkyhlnsHSCrNc7GlvKxjF0DfM+yi Cancel-Lock: sha1:YzI0NjE0ODJkNzVkY2M2ZGZiZTljNGY1YWEzZWZiZTI2MTRjNDliZA== sha1:MKwNW7KMutlJh/Q0syHqr1JyqD8= Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAQMAAABtzGvEAAAABlBMVEUAAAD///+l2Z/dAAAA oElEQVR4nK3OsRHCMAwF0O8YQufUNIQRGIAja9CxSA55AxZgFO4coMgYrEDDQZWPIlNAjwq9 033pbOBPtbXuB6PKNBn5gZkhGa86Z4x2wE67O+06WxGD/HCOGR0deY3f9Ijwwt7rNGNf6Oac l/GuZTF1wFGKiYYHKSFAkjIo1b6sCYS1sVmFhhhahKQssRjRT90ITWUk6vvK3RsPGs+M1RuR mV+hO/VvFAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Accept-Language: fr, es, en User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:192991 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:85387 Archived-At: rusi writes: > On Jun 22, 8:26 pm, "Pascal J. Bourguignon" > wrote: >> What's bad, is that the promise of having different embedded languages >> in emacs failed so far.  IMO because of lack of lexical binding/closures >> (but this is resolved in emacs-24), and to a lesser degree, lack of a >> usable namespace system (in this case, the obarray mechanism is there to >> be used by language implementors).  But with emacs-24, it could be >> possible to implement a scheme, a javascript and finish the emacs-cl >> implementation, java, etc, so that people could use and program emacs in >> their favorite programming language. > > Yes this is one of the important issues. If emacs were programmable > in one of today's popular languages its developer-base would leap up. > I believe however that trying to implement everything within emacs > (elisp) itself is a much more ambitious project than simply providing > bridges to existing implementations (eg python via pymacs) It's a question of VM. That's the reason why I'd like a rewrite of emacs (C code) into Common Lisp: there are various CL implementations providing various different VMs, including ix86. -- __Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/ A bad day in () is better than a good day in {}.