From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On the subject of Git, Bazaar, and the future of Emacs development Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 18:13:59 +0900 Message-ID: <87li99b3xk.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <87hajxqlly.fsf@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1364375653 13321 80.91.229.3 (27 Mar 2013 09:14:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 09:14:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: John Wiegley , Richard Stallman , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 27 10:14:40 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UKmRJ-00033g-HG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:14:37 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40081 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UKmQv-00045m-Bg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 05:14:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:55150) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UKmQm-0003vV-76 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 05:14:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UKmQk-00029h-OJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 05:14:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]:55271) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UKmQk-00029U-FL; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 05:14:02 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25FF597090A; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 18:14:00 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C67911A3D97; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 18:13:59 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <87hajxqlly.fsf@yandex.ru> X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta32) "habanero" b0d40183ac79 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 130.158.97.224 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:158278 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > Richard Stallman writes: > > > The maintainer says he is fixing some bugs, and I asked him > > just yesterday to fix the ELPA branch bug. > > Isn't this a bit late? The bug is 1.5 years old. Was he not aware of it > before? No, true, yes, and Richard is aware of all those facts, I'm sure. Good projects go dormant for years, sometimes. Richard knows and accepts that. Obviously, he's trying to do something to reverse it in this case because it's important to Emacs to have a good VCS. Dmitry, please go back and review the original discussion that led to selection of Bazaar. Everything you need to know will be in the emacs-devel archives. While I strongly disagreed with that decision, and equally strongly disagree with this one, Richard's position is entirely consistent across time. If you're going to change his mind, you're going to need to deal with his reasons, which already were strong enough to overcome objections to Bazaar (which was much farther behind git in almost all ways at that time). I myself don't have any strong new reasons, sorry, so I can't help you.