From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bootstrap deleted DOC-nnn file Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 11:45:37 +0900 Message-ID: <87li7kex0u.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <83vc6rb31c.fsf@gnu.org> <87vc6qdxfe.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1368326764 16647 80.91.229.3 (12 May 2013 02:46:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 02:46:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eliz@gnu.org, yandros@MIT.EDU, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 12 04:46:02 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UbMIT-0007Ow-TO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 12 May 2013 04:46:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46573 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UbMIT-0001Kj-IZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 11 May 2013 22:46:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54481) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UbMIQ-0001KR-Hl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 May 2013 22:45:59 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UbMIP-0002Jr-NW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 May 2013 22:45:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]:58397) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UbMIO-0002GU-AD; Sat, 11 May 2013 22:45:56 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 788B9970935; Sun, 12 May 2013 11:45:37 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3C7A81A4F35; Sun, 12 May 2013 11:45:37 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta32) "habanero" b0d40183ac79 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 130.158.97.224 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:159527 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > Another use of not deleting the old executables and DOC files > is that I would be able to tell, roughly, when I got the sources > last. "make install" (to someplace other than where I put my "system" emacs) is my friend here. Also, bisection on the bzr trunk[1] is usually quite precise about identifying when a bug was introduced. It's often slower in clock time (has to rebuild every tested version), but it can be quite automated so a much lower burden on the developer's attention in many cases. Once again, I think you are the unusual developer here. You'll have to judge how important preserving your practices is, but I doubt you have much company. The practices I mention above require very little developer effort once they become habit. Again, the cost of changing your workflow is something you have to judge for yourself. Footnotes: [1] I thought bzr had a bisect command, but "bzr help bisect" comes up nil. Somebody must have a helper script or plugin, or you can roll your own easily enough.