From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs history, and "Is Emacs difficult to learn?" Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 13:56:16 +0200 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <87li4ogt27.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> References: <87y58pplcp.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1375185625 26262 80.91.229.3 (30 Jul 2013 12:00:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 12:00:25 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 30 14:00:28 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1V48bK-0007K7-Oo for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 14:00:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34504 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V48bK-00029I-D5 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 08:00:26 -0400 X-Received: by 10.180.205.240 with SMTP id lj16mr460381wic.6.1375185382764; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 04:56:22 -0700 (PDT) X-FeedAbuse: http://nntpfeed.proxad.net/abuse.pl feeded by 88.191.116.97 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!mh2no1271281wib.1!news-out.google.com!md6ni1077wic.0!nntp.google.com!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!nntpfeed.proxad.net!dedibox.gegeweb.org!gegeweb.eu!gegeweb.org!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 34 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: SWN/nubmpQxYKwY7hPy4YA.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:DIj9sxkMIuW1aP9I2BYhSyLZkBc= Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:200277 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:92544 Archived-At: Luca Ferrari writes: > I started using Emacs because (i) I hated vi with a passion, > since it was the _only_ editor university was teaching us and I > was wondering why and (ii) because I found it incredibly faster > than more other editors. For instance, while doing my master > degree thesis, a latex document that resulted in almost 300 > pages ... Yes. Some people say Emacs cannot be used instead of the Open/LibreOffice word processors, because you want documents that are pleasant to the human eye, not just stuff that are to be parsed by computers. This is not true: if you use LaTeX in Emacs, not only do you have all the pros of the *editor*, you have so much more precision (math formulas, etc.) and "beauty" (ToC, references, etc.) as for the final result. The same can be said of HTML/CSS (in Emacs, as compared to "WYSIWYG"-editors), although I wouldn't put HTML/CSS on the same level as LaTeX anytime soon. > I teach some web stuff in high school, and I'd love students use > emacs but I have to face that students are not living a point > and click generation and they do not understand the real power > of using keystrokes. Yes. Did you read the very long GEH discussion on the mouse vs. the keyboard? It all started in a thread on how to reduce the Emacs boot time. -- Emanuel Berg - programmer (hire me! CV below) computer projects: http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 internet activity: http://home.student.uu.se/embe8573