From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs history, and "Is Emacs difficult to learn?" Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2013 22:28:44 +0200 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <87li4l17gj.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> References: <87y58pplcp.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <87fvuwgsv0.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <075751cf-97a3-4d01-8fb1-4ffbc0180f3f@googlegroups.com> <878v0oxfdw.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <87a9l4rs76.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <39e6407d-c4fd-4dc1-b47f-a1ba4119c7cb@googlegroups.com> <87iozqzjjq.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <877gg5s18s.fsf@informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1375389017 18931 80.91.229.3 (1 Aug 2013 20:30:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 20:30:17 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 01 22:30:21 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1V4zVq-0006Sb-9L for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 01 Aug 2013 22:30:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51197 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V4zVp-0004OS-RY for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 01 Aug 2013 16:30:17 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.kjsl.com!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!news.mixmin.net!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 30 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: SWN/nubmpQxYKwY7hPy4YA.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:hJIFVx9e5HOrJIerQlh4xpmY3Tk= Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:200374 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:92641 Archived-At: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" writes: > With lisp, you'd have at least to define a macro: > > (defmacro define ((fname &rest lambda-list) &body body) `(defun > ,fname ,lambda-list ,@body)) > > to be able to read and run: > > (define (f x) (if (= 0 x) 1 (* x (f (- x 1))))) > > in both emacs lisp, common lisp and scheme. Therefore here you > could rightly argue that there's no scheme/common lisp, but two > languages. > > But not for C/C++, I don't think so. OK, if I made an effort to be as correct as possible, but still ignoring details that shouldn't be allowed to mess up general reasoning if they don't matter, I'd say: - there is C (without classes etc.; i.e., without C++) - there is C++ (*with* C, almost always). So there *is* a C/C++, and that is C++! -- Emanuel Berg - programmer (hire me! CV below) computer projects: http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 internet activity: http://home.student.uu.se/embe8573