From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Emacs very alive, active and improving? Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:30:24 +0100 Message-ID: <87li1uojov.fsf@zerg32.ncl.ac.uk> References: <5d0ea74d-527c-4c19-a9d6-596bec4a4c6b@googlegroups.com> <878uy2b59p.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <9c485a2d-1e2a-4c38-b04a-db69db9b5bc2@googlegroups.com> <87r4btl8e5.fsf@zerg32.ncl.ac.uk> <87a9igcbht.fsf@zerg32.ncl.ac.uk> <20131012220155.GA20851@www> <8738o49kqv.fsf@zerg32.ncl.ac.uk> <20131014192559.GA10582@www> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1381836657 1186 80.91.229.3 (15 Oct 2013 11:30:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:30:57 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 15 13:31:01 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VW2q0-0003uS-Hn for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:30:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41173 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VW2q0-0008JL-2F for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 07:30:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42379) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VW2pd-0008I5-AK for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 07:30:39 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VW2pW-0008O4-59 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 07:30:33 -0400 Original-Received: from cheviot12.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.234.12]:35077) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VW2pV-0008Np-WA for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 07:30:26 -0400 Original-Received: from smtpauth-vm.ncl.ac.uk ([10.8.233.129]) by cheviot12.ncl.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1VW2pV-00033t-AT for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:30:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (zerg32.ncl.ac.uk [10.66.65.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth-vm.ncl.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r9FBUOuw012728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:30:24 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20131014192559.GA10582@www> (Christopher Ritsen's message of "Mon, 14 Oct 2013 15:25:59 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 128.240.234.12 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:94022 Archived-At: Christopher Ritsen writes: > On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 12:04:24PM +0100, Phillip Lord wrote: >> It's not that uncommon I suspect. I use vim for most systems >> adminstration. I do as little sys admin as I can get away with, so I >> don't use vim every day! > > The common refrain seems to be that people use vim over emacs on remote servers > they don't control where it is usually installed by default, but I was referring > to being willing to take the time to configure the programs themselves to be as > useful as possible to me for whatever they are best at. Right now, that is > strictly org-mode for emacs, and vim for most of my text-editing and coding. > I'm not planning on dropping one for the other, but my assumption is that most > people wouldn't want or have the time to configure both (especially if it's not > possible to use either at work) and lose objectivity about using the best tool > for the job. I want to avoid that. "Best tool for the job", of course, means "best tool for the job that *I* am doing". Emacs is a better tool for me to use for most jobs because I know how to use it. I don't think that it's a question with an objective answer. Still, I can see your point, in terms of what works for you. Phil