From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Frequently Enabled Packages - Emacs-24.4 survey (Please participate) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 23:08:35 +0100 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <87lhzs1hqb.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> References: <87ppp7nqqa.fsf@gmail.com> <87k3ffm18p.fsf@motoko.kusanagi> <87d2l6zkdp.fsf@gmail.com> <877gbek34z.fsf@motoko.kusanagi> <87ob4qy34k.fsf@gmail.com> <87wqjeilvf.fsf@motoko.kusanagi> <877gbe4bhk.fsf@gmail.com> <87k3fei1bi.fsf@motoko.kusanagi> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1386713414 16525 80.91.229.3 (10 Dec 2013 22:10:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 22:10:14 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 10 23:10:21 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VqVVS-0007tD-Sr for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 23:10:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51479 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VqVVS-0003b2-AN for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 17:10:18 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.kjsl.com!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.datemas.de!rt.uk.eu.org!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 43 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: VVbyYd/iFZoeWNmD9i++cQ.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:F8cNeOi2CbpCs2OXCJkCZNMiyMY= Mail-Copies-To: never Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:202664 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:94933 Archived-At: We shouldn't be this dismissive to each others initiatives. If we are, soon no one will dare take initiatives. Also, we shouldn't get deadlocked over some detail. A detail can be fixed. Only when all details are fixed, and the idea still isn't working, it can be dismissed. In this particular case, it would seem that the human factor has indeed produced errors. It is no coincidence that `auto-compression-mode' and `auto-encryption-mode' aren't mentioned, because those (and some others) don't show up in the mode line. I myself was surprised when I found them - I thought I had disabled everything I didn't use long ago. I found that this (normal-erase-is-backspace-mode 0) (abbrev-mode 0) (auto-compression-mode 0) (auto-encryption-mode 0) (file-name-shadow-mode 0) (gpm-mouse-mode 0) (mouse-wheel-mode 0) (tool-bar-mode 0) (tooltip-mode 0) (menu-bar-mode 0) sped up my Emacs UX a lot, though that was on a much slower computer (a laptop that fell from my backpack, and broke) so I don't know if all that is necessary on my current system. Anyway, as I don't use it, might just keep it disabled. But I digress... If `report-emacs-bug' creates a snapshot of the system, including the major and minor modes (kind of essential), that means there is an Elisp subroutine that does that. We could isolate that and turn it into a `what-minor-modes' or whatever and that would be it. -- Emanuel Berg, programmer-for-rent. CV, projects, etc at uXu underground experts united: http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573