From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 18:09:51 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <87lhmikqzk.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418059543 9653 80.91.229.3 (8 Dec 2014 17:25:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 17:25:43 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 08 18:25:35 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy23z-0000jO-BM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 18:25:35 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35178 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy23y-000581-Ta for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 12:25:34 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59735) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy23c-00057v-6E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 12:25:18 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy23W-0004cO-6s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 12:25:12 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:59521) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy23W-0004Xq-0a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 12:25:06 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy1oy-0000o1-6j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 18:10:04 +0100 Original-Received: from x2f4aa58.dyn.telefonica.de ([2.244.170.88]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 18:10:04 +0100 Original-Received: from dak by x2f4aa58.dyn.telefonica.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 18:10:04 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 42 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: x2f4aa58.dyn.telefonica.de X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:jRWjiGDitek9vC28rPOfJBHt0Tk= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179420 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> For this reason it would make sense to make CUA keys the default, and >> provide a compatibility switch for Emacs old timers who are used to >> the current bindings. > > cua-mode is a clever and reasonably clean hack, but > a hack nevertheless. So enabling it by default is not really an option. > > And note that under Mac OS X, there's no need for it, since Mac OS > X uses another modifier than "control" for those C-x C-c C-v. > > I'm not opposed to a long term plan to possibly change C-x, C-c, and > C-v. Well, I don't want things like "In order to move to the other end of the currently active region, press C-x, and then press C-x within 200ms. If you are not fast enough, the region will be erased instead." in the manual for the default behavior. And yes, I am not making this one up: cua-prefix-override-inhibit-delay is a variable defined in `cua-base.el'. Its value is 0.2 Documentation: If non-nil, time in seconds to delay before overriding prefix key. If there is additional input within this time, the prefix key is used as a normal prefix key. So typing a key sequence quickly will inhibit overriding the prefix key. As a special case, if the prefix keys repeated within this time, the first prefix key is discarded, so typing a prefix key twice in quick succession will also inhibit overriding the prefix key. If the value is nil, use a shifted prefix key to inhibit the override. You can customize this variable. So before the C-c, C-x, C-v bindings can get their CUA defaults, there must be some serious key sequence reorganization for Emacs. -- David Kastrup