From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thien-Thi Nguyen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Rant - Elisp terminology is deceptive Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 09:28:25 +0100 Message-ID: <87lhkqhro6.fsf@zigzag.favinet> References: <87k30b42c9.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87oapn43uc.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <3WlAOmGl4RQBG09UiGavcwZwdqzrac0HS8Fc6alaxbN@local> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1422260680 16621 80.91.229.3 (26 Jan 2015 08:24:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 08:24:40 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 26 09:24:38 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YFeyL-0006xT-O1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 09:24:37 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40446 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YFeyL-0004nk-1C for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 03:24:37 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39088) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YFey7-0004nT-0L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 03:24:23 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YFexy-0002zI-Qc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 03:24:22 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp205.alice.it ([82.57.200.101]:12315) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YFexy-0002wj-GO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 03:24:14 -0500 Original-Received: from zigzag.favinet (79.7.154.137) by smtp205.alice.it (8.6.060.28) id 547D8A4D0BD4F8DA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 09:24:13 +0100 Original-Received: from ttn by zigzag.favinet with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YFf2A-0001Ea-Un for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 09:28:35 +0100 Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <3WlAOmGl4RQBG09UiGavcwZwdqzrac0HS8Fc6alaxbN@local> (Kelly Dean's message of "Mon, 26 Jan 2015 03:52:17 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 82.57.200.101 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:181780 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable () Kelly Dean () Mon, 26 Jan 2015 03:52:17 +0000 If I'm just part of a minority that fails to understand that =E2=8C=9Cdefault=E2=8C=9D is the most sensible term for the Emacs enviro= nment whose variables don't shadow variables in any other environment, then of course the term shouldn't be changed. But if I'm part of a majority that fails to understand, then resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. This particular line of thinking has led to "hacker" being a denigration in society at large, among other more serious atrocities. I think if you program in C, it is easy to see how =E2=80=98switch=E2=80=99 .. =E2=80=98default:=E2=80=99 illustrates the dynamic aspect of the concept. Rather than "this thing does not shadow", i see "this action is the last recourse". [Insert Pirsig-esque ruminations, here...] =2D-=20 Thien-Thi Nguyen GPG key: 4C807502 (if you're human and you know it) read my lisp: (responsep (questions 'technical) (not (via 'mailing-list))) =3D> nil --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlTF+qwACgkQZwMiJEyAdQJsLgCeOtVZDZtv7Lw2dyO6NHyoP2pC eHwAn2dEeO5DvqCXtMjYkOOhK8metvat =b5kq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--