From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Florian Weimer Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Contributing LLVM.org patches to gud.el Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 21:00:50 +0100 Message-ID: <87lhk63le5.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> References: <87mw4rxkzv.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87y4oavxcy.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1423512077 23481 80.91.229.3 (9 Feb 2015 20:01:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 20:01:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: David Kastrup , eller.helmut@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 09 21:01:16 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YKuWB-0005Zr-DW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 21:01:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34953 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YKuWB-0003op-0M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 15:01:15 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54711) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YKuVw-0003mZ-9x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 15:01:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YKuVv-0001jK-EV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 15:01:00 -0500 Original-Received: from albireo.enyo.de ([46.237.207.196]:33065) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YKuVp-0001eJ-J9; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 15:00:53 -0500 Original-Received: from [172.17.203.2] (helo=deneb.enyo.de) by albireo.enyo.de with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) id 1YKuVk-0005Tq-Q1; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 21:00:48 +0100 Original-Received: from fw by deneb.enyo.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YKuVm-0002IA-6s; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 21:00:50 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sun, 08 Feb 2015 19:06:40 -0500") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 46.237.207.196 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:182734 Archived-At: * Richard Stallman: > > If we try to close down every cooperation with non-GNU free software, we > > are sacrificing our goals for the sake of our temples. > > I agree. But is anyone proposing that? I find it disappointing how much trouble the system library exception in its various versions caused for free software distributions. It ended up granting freedoms exclusively to proprietary operating systems vendors. The FSF even ignores tight integration of GPL code and priority code on the same media (or within the same installer), which, according to the letter of the GPL, version 2, should make it impossible rely on the system library exception. And this is exactly what is demanded from free software distributions, but proprietary vendors receive a free pass on this matter. This makes me feel bitter. It is totally understandable on a psychological level (the goals are so similar that one has to fiercely insistent on the existence of major differences). But it's still sad when it happens.