From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sivaram Neelakantan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs Book Vs Emacs Manuals Date: Fri, 08 May 2015 22:05:45 +0530 Message-ID: <87lhgzni1q.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87fv77barj.fsf@gnu.org> <87zj5fgpd8.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1431102980 25944 80.91.229.3 (8 May 2015 16:36:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 16:36:20 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 08 18:36:13 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YqlG1-0008Ea-Hb for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 May 2015 18:36:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56731 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YqlG0-00076O-Vh for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 May 2015 12:36:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57966) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YqlFn-000767-KO for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 May 2015 12:36:00 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YqlFk-00022L-Fu for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 May 2015 12:35:59 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:58117) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YqlFk-00022D-8r for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 May 2015 12:35:56 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YqlFi-00085F-17 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 May 2015 18:35:54 +0200 Original-Received: from 122.166.181.91 ([122.166.181.91]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 08 May 2015 18:35:54 +0200 Original-Received: from nsivaram.net by 122.166.181.91 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 08 May 2015 18:35:54 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 28 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 122.166.181.91 User-Mail-Address: nsivaram.net@gmail.com User-Agent: Gnus/5.130011 (Ma Gnus v0.11) Emacs/24.4 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1:elg2u7ChaMrdsHEe0nDlETFi3KM= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:104306 Archived-At: On Fri, May 08 2015,Phillip Lord wrote: [snipped 11 lines] >> The best way to learn emacs is the tutorial (C-h t). > > I wish this were true. Actually, the tutorial is not a good > introduction to emacs. It's over 200 lines before you get off "how to > move the cursor around". Most people these days assume that you do this > with the mouse or a finger and that doesn't take 200 lines to explain. > Works with Emacs too. > > There are other introductions out there, and one of the needs to be > integrated into Emacs. > As a counterexample I did find the tutorial helpful and just about enough to get started back in the 90s. Then again, I simply accepted that's how you learn Emacs and went ahead. and it was a good thing that I did because it simply forced me to abandon vi mode of thinking. Though I distinctly remember my opinion was initially "dafuq is this ctrl and meta key mumbo jumbo" and I was off to a grumpy start in learning it. sivaram --