From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: help in same window + colorful help + =?utf-8?Q?Bl=C3=BCmchen?= Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2015 00:47:54 +0200 Message-ID: <87lhera8kl.fsf@nl106-137-147.student.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1436309397 28428 80.91.229.3 (7 Jul 2015 22:49:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 22:49:57 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 08 00:49:48 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZCbgR-0004Wk-6o for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2015 00:49:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60683 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZCbgQ-0006IX-Ag for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:49:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41534) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZCbgE-0006IO-6k for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:49:35 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZCbg8-0006UI-Uf for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:49:34 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:58711) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZCbg8-0006TW-My for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:49:28 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZCbg7-0004NM-BB for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2015 00:49:27 +0200 Original-Received: from nl106-137-246.student.uu.se ([130.243.137.246]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 2015 00:49:27 +0200 Original-Received: from embe8573 by nl106-137-246.student.uu.se with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 2015 00:49:27 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Lines: 50 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: nl106-137-246.student.uu.se Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:DwYJFlwSeMLZBpmYIoopG3vn64w= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:105506 Archived-At: Question: Can I have help open help not in the other window but always in the window from which it is invoked, and not changing the window configuration apart from obviously showing the help buffer? Remark: In the recent thread about the possible colorization of help buffers, the notion appeared that ~"you don't need syntax highlight because it is not code". Here I disagree completely. There are tons of things which aren't code, but is still structured and/or contain distinct elements of data that fall into categories (e.g., paths, links, definitions, and so on), and thus are benefited from colorization just as well. Here is a dump [1] that shows a man page, and Emacs-w3m showing some files in a directory. Do I feel confident not having those colors and still maintain the level of readability, or actually the ability to not have to read, but still get the info across? I think not! In a help buffer, there are many things that can be highlighted - keys, for starters. Actually the man pages are a good example - tho there are what I can find only three faces (Man-overstrike, Man-underline, and Man-reverse) that could be expanded as well because the underlying groff has much more than the .BR, .I, and whatever you put to get Man-reverse. But only those two (three) make a huge difference, as that dump shows. I don't understand why Emacs is so dull and boring to begin with. I spent so much time making it colorful, which I sure don't complain about since I enjoyed it as much as any hacker would - it is just I have a feeling perhaps not everyone would take it upon themselves to do that. But are them folks dull and boring, then? Probably not! You know what I'm saying? This is what Emacs should look like: https://youtube.com/watch?v=cgurWBvJbac [1] http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/dumps/colors.png -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573