From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: member returns list Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2015 04:25:46 +0200 Message-ID: <87lhcjhsnp.fsf@debian.uxu> References: <55E5C99B.3020608@yandex.ru> <87lhcpu2wb.fsf_-_@debian.uxu> <874mjchisl.fsf@web.de> <87pp20jxy7.fsf@debian.uxu> <87twrcxyfk.fsf@mbork.pl> <87y4gnt2r5.fsf@debian.uxu> <87twran0dw.fsf@mbork.pl> <87d1xwbwh9.fsf@debian.uxu> <87oahgbfmp.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87k2s3b5xw.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87fv2raz4s.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87bndfauey.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1441592294 11905 80.91.229.3 (7 Sep 2015 02:18:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2015 02:18:14 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 07 04:18:04 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYm0P-0006KH-R9 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2015 04:18:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52150 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYm0Q-0002PJ-4J for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2015 22:18:02 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42518) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYm0D-0002OF-Ce for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2015 22:17:50 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYm0A-0007Gx-2w for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2015 22:17:49 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:57912) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYm09-0007Gp-S2 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2015 22:17:46 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYm01-0005v3-MX for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2015 04:17:37 +0200 Original-Received: from nl106-137-244.student.uu.se ([130.243.137.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 07 Sep 2015 04:17:37 +0200 Original-Received: from embe8573 by nl106-137-244.student.uu.se with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 07 Sep 2015 04:17:37 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Lines: 35 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: nl106-137-244.student.uu.se Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:CI3OaC8OSswQYKTHGJtfYZ47hUQ= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:107063 Archived-At: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" writes: > On the other hand, the reason to use lisp was to > invent new kinds of programs that have never been > done so far, so there were less a reason why to keep > the same language. With the dialects, I don't see new things, I see basically the same thing over and over with some small differences that do not motivate redoing it each time. But, if it is as simple as you say, they activity itself may be the reward for doing it, so do it, by all means. > Nowadays the situation is a little different. > While it's still possible to invent new kinds of > programs (and programming paradygms), with Common > Lisp, people also want to be able to use libraries > and reuse old code. Hence the standardization. What I can see, programming is dead. There are a bunch of computer people that have everything they need. Nothing new to do there. Then there are the masses which must be fooled to consume inferior things which they actually are not benefited from at all. If you don't want to do that there really is nothing to do. This is why I abandoned it. The reason I'm still here to some extent is I still want to learn more and perhaps someday the state will change tho I'm not positive it will happen... -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573