From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Questioning the new behavior of `open-line'. Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 15:57:12 +0100 Message-ID: <87lha3p8on.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <87vb98csu1.fsf@red-bean.com> <87h9kscqig.fsf@red-bean.com> <83vb98jqwp.fsf@gnu.org> <87k2poba1s.fsf@red-bean.com> <83si4cjnyw.fsf@gnu.org> <87twosp5ke.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87fv0cm64g.fsf@gmx.us> <87si4bsktk.fsf@red-bean.com> <87wptnlbl6.fsf@gmx.us> <87pozfl2ut.fsf@gmx.us> <87d1vfl17p.fsf@gmx.us> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1447342482 26290 80.91.229.3 (12 Nov 2015 15:34:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 15:34:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, bruce.connor.am@gmail.com, yuri.v.khan@gmail.com To: Rasmus Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 12 16:34:42 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwttU-0000UA-Lc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 16:34:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47391 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwttU-0005e6-57 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 10:34:36 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37709) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwttA-0005bh-1B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 10:34:17 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zwtt9-0006TT-7F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 10:34:15 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:53575) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zwtt0-0006Pr-IZ; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 10:34:06 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39157 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1Zwtsx-0007gL-LJ; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 10:34:04 -0500 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5C35BDF7C0; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 15:57:12 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <87d1vfl17p.fsf@gmx.us> (rasmus@gmx.us's message of "Thu, 12 Nov 2015 15:52:10 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:194235 Archived-At: Rasmus writes: > Yuri Khan writes: > >> Arguably, they should be solved by adding that heuristic, not by >> breaking open-line and/or newline-and-indent. > > Perhaps, until such a fix exists, to this and any similar problem, > Emacs can afford to offer "dumb" keys alongside indenting keys. In particular when using electric-indent-mode (whether or not it defaults to on) there should be a minimal set of dumb keys for fixing stuff manually. C-q C-j is on the awkward side. -- David Kastrup