From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: GNUS gnus-group-split .. my sorting is bad. Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 23:00:12 +0100 Message-ID: <87lh68mowj.fsf@debian.uxu> References: <87si0hx4o9.fsf@grrlz.net> <874mcxtzzh.fsf@debian.uxu> <87si0hyv2u.fsf@grrlz.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1456437671 32679 80.91.229.3 (25 Feb 2016 22:01:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 22:01:11 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 25 23:01:00 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aZ3xz-0006cJ-E0 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 25 Feb 2016 23:00:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46088 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aZ3xv-0002aK-K1 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 25 Feb 2016 17:00:55 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56231) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aZ3xh-0002Zt-4d for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Feb 2016 17:00:44 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aZ3xc-0003t2-Jg for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Feb 2016 17:00:41 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:59563) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aZ3xc-0003sw-CF for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Feb 2016 17:00:36 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aZ3xb-0006Lk-3G for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Feb 2016 23:00:35 +0100 Original-Received: from nl106-137-170.student.uu.se ([130.243.137.170]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 2016 23:00:35 +0100 Original-Received: from embe8573 by nl106-137-170.student.uu.se with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 2016 23:00:35 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Lines: 98 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: nl106-137-170.student.uu.se Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:p4DKAas6XB6T+mxUBeGWnrYu/wc= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:109314 Archived-At: Nils Gillmann writes: > Here's a question: why? What's the rational choice > to favor gmane over subscribing to mailman at > gnu.org for the Guix project and others > I participate in? There are many advantages. Three that instantly come to mind are: 1. You get the lists/newsgroups as a uniform Emacs interface and you don't have to Google individual sites and wade thru the projects different homepages to get to their lists. You only have to bring up the 'browse server' buffer to see them all - organized, sorted, and you can search the buffer like any other (so it is a double "uniform Emacs interface"). Have a look: http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/pics/gnus-server.png 2. You can add, interact, and remove lists/newsgroups like any other NNTP newsgroup and you don't have to deal with verification and e-mails back and forth from different automatic systems which often do not work or take time to react to the point you wonder if it actually did work... 3. Instead of getting all the traffic all the time, you only fetch data when you want it. (At least compared to nnml. YMMV. But if it is the same for you, it should be a *huge* advantage as you are on so many lists!) E.g., I subscribe to the gmane.emacs.erc.general as well as gmane.emacs.help. On gmane.emacs.help, I'm active writing so I want all traffic. But, on gmane.emacs.erc.general, I only ask one specific question or so once a couple of months. So I always want gmane.emacs.help, but very seldom gmane.emacs.erc.general (still, I want it to be there, ready), and with Gmane this is not only possible but super easy to do. > I also have lists which are not on gmane or some > other serverbased network with nntp access. > for example local hackerspaces. Gmane does not exclude any other source of data to be used in parallel: (setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "news.gmane.org")) (require 'gnus-namazu) (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnml "" (nnir-search-engine namazu)) (nntp "nntp.aioe.org") (nntp "news.gwene.org") (nntp "news.gnus.org") )) > That's the usual behavior on mosts lists (or how > most people configure their mail agents) I am on, > To: person you replying to, CC: list. Isn't it the other way around? But it doesn't matter. Like I said, you can use splitting to take those to an out-of-action group. I do that - add the list to the splitting regexp - when it happens, i.e. when I get a superfluous mail which originated from a list/group I know I'm on so I know I'll see the post anyway. (setq nnmail-split-methods '( ("mail.ml-ooa" "\\(To\\|Cc\\):.*\\(emacs-w3m@namazu.org\\|help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org\\|gnuplot-info@lists.sourceforge.net\\)") ("mail.misc" "")) ) > In the whole picture - leaving aside the whole other > issue with email in general, with an external > service as gmane, etc - your recommendation looks > good to me. It can be done for almost all lists > I have, however I would still need a recommendation > for the ones I can't apply it to. Take the CC and Cc > out of the filters for lists? You can do it with splitting or with scoring. Splitting would be favorable (more transparent) at least in its base form as it doesn't require you to enter the group to execute. Add the newsgroup from Gmane, wait for the CCs to come, when they do split or downscore and they shouldn't return. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573