Quoting parts or a remote file name

Quoting parts or a remote file name

[Michael Albinus]

Hi,

in bug#16984 it was discussed, how to suppress expansion of "~" in file
names like "/path/~/file". One possible solution is to quote the file
name, like "/:/path/~/file".

This has the disadvantage, that remote file names are not handled
properly, like "/:/ssh:user@host:/path/~/file". I made the proposal to
apply the file name quoting to the local name of remote files instead,
like "/ssh:user@host:/:/path/~/file". There was no reaction.

What do people think? Is this something we could do?

Thanks, and best regards, Michael.

Re: Quoting parts or a remote file name

[Nicolas Petton]

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Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@gmx.de> writes:

> Hi,

Hi Michael,

> in bug#16984 it was discussed, how to suppress expansion of "~" in file
> names like "/path/~/file". One possible solution is to quote the file
> name, like "/:/path/~/file".
>
> This has the disadvantage, that remote file names are not handled
> properly, like "/:/ssh:user@host:/path/~/file". I made the proposal to
> apply the file name quoting to the local name of remote files instead,
> like "/ssh:user@host:/:/path/~/file". There was no reaction.
>
> What do people think? Is this something we could do?

I had a look at the discussion about bug#16984, and I think your
proposal makes sense.

I'm wondering, why don't we have an escape character for this, for
instance:

  /ssh:user@host:/path/\~/file

Although using backslash is probably a bad idea.

Cheers,
Nico

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Re: Quoting parts of a remote file name

[Michael Albinus]

Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr> writes:

> Hi Michael,

Hi Nicolas,

> I'm wondering, why don't we have an escape character for this, for
> instance:
>
>   /ssh:user@host:/path/\~/file
>
> Although using backslash is probably a bad idea.

Indeed. A backslash is a directory separator for MS Windows file names.

> Cheers,
> Nico

Best regards, Michael.

Re: Quoting parts of a remote file name

[Nicolas Petton]

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Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@gmx.de> writes:

>> I'm wondering, why don't we have an escape character for this, for
>> instance:
>>
>>   /ssh:user@host:/path/\~/file
>>
>> Although using backslash is probably a bad idea.
>
> Indeed. A backslash is a directory separator for MS Windows file
> names.

Indeed, but we could use another character.  Wouldn't that be easier for
the user?

Cheers,
Nico

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Re: Quoting parts of a remote file name

[Michael Albinus]

Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr> writes:

> Indeed, but we could use another character.  Wouldn't that be easier for
> the user?

The "/:" syntax exist for a long time, since Emacs 20.4. See etc/NEWS.20.

> Cheers,
> Nico

Best regards, Michael.

Re: Quoting parts of a remote file name

[Nicolas Petton]

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Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@gmx.de> writes:

> The "/:" syntax exist for a long time, since Emacs 20.4. See
> etc/NEWS.20.

You're right.  Then I think the syntax you're proposing is good.

Cheers,
Nico

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Re: Quoting parts or a remote file name

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@gmx.de>
> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 15:23:31 +0100
> 
> in bug#16984 it was discussed, how to suppress expansion of "~" in file
> names like "/path/~/file". One possible solution is to quote the file
> name, like "/:/path/~/file".
> 
> This has the disadvantage, that remote file names are not handled
> properly, like "/:/ssh:user@host:/path/~/file". I made the proposal to
> apply the file name quoting to the local name of remote files instead,
> like "/ssh:user@host:/:/path/~/file". There was no reaction.
> 
> What do people think? Is this something we could do?

I have no objections to your proposal, but I'm not much of an expert
in this area.  I trust that you have run the relevant tests from the
test suite with such names, and they don't raise any problems?

Re: Quoting parts of a remote file name

[Michael Albinus]

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

Hi Eli,

> I have no objections to your proposal, but I'm not much of an expert
> in this area.  I trust that you have run the relevant tests from the
> test suite with such names, and they don't raise any problems?

I haven't implemented anything yet, first I want to know whether this is
acceptable.

And of course, there will be respective test cases once I commit a
patch.

Best regards, Michael.

Re: Quoting parts or a remote file name

[Michael Albinus]

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> in bug#16984 it was discussed, how to suppress expansion of "~" in file
>> names like "/path/~/file". One possible solution is to quote the file
>> name, like "/:/path/~/file".
>> 
>> This has the disadvantage, that remote file names are not handled
>> properly, like "/:/ssh:user@host:/path/~/file". I made the proposal to
>> apply the file name quoting to the local name of remote files instead,
>> like "/ssh:user@host:/:/path/~/file". There was no reaction.
>> 
>> What do people think? Is this something we could do?
>
> I have no objections to your proposal, but I'm not much of an expert
> in this area.  I trust that you have run the relevant tests from the
> test suite with such names, and they don't raise any problems?

I've implemented this now, patch pushed to master. Most of the test
cases in tramp-tests have been extended accordingly.

Best regards, Michael.