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From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: 25295@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#25295: Represent eieio objects using object-print in backtraces and edebug
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2017 15:40:24 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87lguq5r87.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwv8tqsdnwl.fsf-monnier+bug#25295@gnu.org> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 03 Jan 2017 13:21:30 -0500")


On 01/03/17 13:21 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>> I guess this would require going into print.c and adding another branch
>> under the Lisp_Vectorlike case statement of object_print.
>
> That's right.
>
>> Is this sort of C code allowed to call back up to the lisp object-print
>> function? This is where I get lost...
>
> The Elisp-level printer and the interaction between the C code and
> the Elisp ill have to be worked out, indeed.
>
> E.g. you probably won't want to have Elisp-level printer to just call
> `format` or `prin1` since that does more than just print (it sets up
> a printing destination, initializes the cycle-detection table, then
> checks for cycles, ...).
>
> This said, making `prin1` reentrant will probably be helpful.

If an Elisp-level printer is available to users and developers, I think
we'd have to assume they will throw any old thing in there, including
`format' and `prin1'. Would making `prin1' reentrant solve all of the
resulting problems?

> One more thing: there have already been other desires/needs to tweak the
> printing from Elisp.  E.g. to special case printing of objects that
> can't be printed readably (e.g. buffers, markers, overlays, ...).

That's good! But the previous issue would still need to be resolved.

>
>         Stefan
>
>
> PS: One more thing; currently cl-structs and EIEIO objects are
> represented as plain normal arrays (and they mostly use the same
> representation now, where the first field contains a symbol whose
> function cell contains `:quick-object-witness-check` and whose value
> cell is the actual class object, which is a cl-struct that inherits
> from cl--class).
>
> It'd be good to instead provide a new kind of array just for
> objects/records/structs (just like we have the `compiled-function` type
> which is basically a normal array just with a different tag).
> This would let us get rid of the "symbol with
> a :quick-object-witness-check" indirection and would make it easier for
> the print.c code to delegate to the Elisp-level printer since it
> wouldn't need to know about the hackish representation choices of EIEIO
> and cl-structs.

I really wish I could help, but I've never written a line of C, and
in twenty minutes of looking through the sources earlier today, I
couldn't even find where the array types were defined.

It sounds like this would be Step One of solving the problem, but I
would not be able to do it without some substantial hand-holding.





  reply	other threads:[~2017-01-04 23:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-12-29 20:52 bug#25295: 26.0.50; Represent eieio objects using object-print in backtraces and edebug Eric Abrahamsen
     [not found] ` <handler.25295.B.148304476023950.ack@debbugs.gnu.org>
2016-12-29 21:50   ` bug#25295: Acknowledgement (26.0.50; Represent eieio objects using object-print in backtraces and edebug) Eric Abrahamsen
2016-12-30  3:42     ` npostavs
2016-12-30 19:14       ` Eric Abrahamsen
2016-12-31  5:48         ` npostavs
2016-12-31 18:56           ` Eric Abrahamsen
2016-12-31 19:23             ` npostavs
2016-12-31 20:52               ` Eric Abrahamsen
2016-12-30  7:51     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-01-03 18:21     ` bug#25295: Represent eieio objects using object-print in backtraces and edebug Stefan Monnier
2017-01-04 23:40       ` Eric Abrahamsen [this message]
2017-01-05  1:51         ` Stefan Monnier
2017-01-05  2:11           ` Stefan Monnier
2017-01-05  4:37             ` Stefan Monnier
2017-01-05 15:39               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-01-06  0:42                 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-01-06  7:50                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-02-21  2:56               ` npostavs
2017-02-21 17:23                 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-02-22 16:15                   ` Richard Stallman
2017-02-22 19:08                     ` Stefan Monnier
2017-03-02  5:36                   ` Elisp printer (was: bug#25295: Represent eieio objects using object-print in backtraces and edebug) Michael Heerdegen
2017-03-02  6:38                     ` Elisp printer Stefan Monnier
2017-03-03  2:14                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2017-03-03  2:38                         ` Stefan Monnier
2017-03-03  4:23                           ` Michael Heerdegen
2017-03-06  2:50                             ` Stefan Monnier
2017-03-08  4:09                       ` Tom Tromey
2017-03-08  4:39                         ` Stefan Monnier
2017-03-08  6:35                           ` Tom Tromey
2017-03-08  9:43                             ` Stefan Monnier
2017-03-08 18:17                         ` Lars Brinkhoff
2017-03-08 23:02                           ` Stefan Monnier
2017-03-09 15:12                             ` Lars Brinkhoff
2017-03-14  9:52                             ` User-defined record types Lars Brinkhoff
2017-03-14 12:28                               ` Lars Brinkhoff
     [not found]                             ` <86bmt42nk2.fsf_-_@molnjunk.nocrew.org>
     [not found]                               ` <jwvzigoow0k.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
2017-03-14 13:25                                 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2017-03-14 14:28                                   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2017-03-14 15:20                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2017-03-14 17:23                                       ` Lars Brinkhoff
2017-03-15 14:38                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2017-03-15 18:14                                           ` Lars Brinkhoff
2017-03-15 19:12                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2017-03-15 19:21                                               ` Lars Brinkhoff
2017-03-15 20:05                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-03-15 21:49                                               ` Lars Brinkhoff
2017-03-15 23:42                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-03-16  3:05                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2017-03-16  3:08                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-03-16 20:03                                                 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2017-03-16 21:32                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-03-17 11:22                                                     ` Lars Brinkhoff
2017-03-17 20:45                                                     ` Lars Brinkhoff
2017-03-18 23:24                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-03-18 23:36                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-03-19  9:34                                                   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2017-03-19 12:42                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2017-03-02  7:00 ` bug#25295: 26.0.50; Represent eieio objects using object-print in backtraces and edebug Stefan Monnier
2017-03-02 12:52   ` npostavs
2017-03-02 13:38     ` Stefan Monnier
2017-03-11  5:43       ` npostavs
2017-03-11 15:38         ` New pp (was: bug#25295: 26.0.50; Represent eieio objects using object-print in backtraces and edebug) Stefan Monnier
2017-03-11 16:05           ` Noam Postavsky
2017-03-11 16:40             ` New pp Stefan Monnier
2017-03-11 16:52               ` Noam Postavsky
2017-03-11 16:57                 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-03-12 13:31                   ` Noam Postavsky
2017-03-12 14:06                     ` Stefan Monnier
2017-03-12 16:13                       ` Noam Postavsky
2017-03-02 17:35   ` bug#25295: 26.0.50; Represent eieio objects using object-print in backtraces and edebug Eric Abrahamsen
2017-03-02 18:31     ` Stefan Monnier
2017-10-21 21:36   ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-10-22  3:21     ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-18 19:01       ` Eric Abrahamsen

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