From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: General advice beyond Org Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 06:01:37 +0200 Message-ID: <87lgc7m5em.fsf@mbork.pl> References: <10cd4c18f566faf0d8ca12cb7d16fae0@openmail.cc> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1527307308 25383 195.159.176.226 (26 May 2018 04:01:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 04:01:48 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: mu4e 1.1.0; emacs 27.0.50 Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: edgar@openmail.cc Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 26 06:01:44 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fMQOl-0006Vc-M0 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 May 2018 06:01:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47601 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fMQQs-0000JO-Ma for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 May 2018 00:03:54 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52194) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fMQQJ-0000JJ-KK for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 May 2018 00:03:20 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fMQQG-000119-Gc for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 May 2018 00:03:19 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([195.110.48.8]:48258) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fMQQG-0000vO-5X for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 May 2018 00:03:16 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70A6AE68A2; Sat, 26 May 2018 06:02:44 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7sTrOVMLxBvE; Sat, 26 May 2018 06:02:41 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (static-dwadziewiec-jedenpiec7.echostar.pl [109.232.29.157]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 439B7E6705; Sat, 26 May 2018 06:02:41 +0200 (CEST) In-reply-to: <10cd4c18f566faf0d8ca12cb7d16fae0@openmail.cc> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.110.48.8 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:116856 Archived-At: On 2018-05-23, at 06:04, edgar@openmail.cc wrote: >> It helps to develop a rational attitude to morality: you do not have >> influence on everything, not even all the results of your actions, and >> hence you do not bear responsibility for what you don't influence. (Of >> course, that doesn't mean you don't bear any responsibility for what >> you >> _do_ influence.) > > Do you mean pragmatic or short-sighted by rational? I don't think that > philosophers are necessarily irrational :) (to name a few). I mean neither. By "rational" I mean "guided by reason". >> For instance, you go to the bakery, buy the bread and pay the baker the >> money. He then takes the money and goes to buy a gun to kill his wife. >> Are you responsible? I don't think so (at least under normal >> circumstances). > > Ah, but you showed a queen of diamonds to the baker, who was > conditioned to kill as soon as he saw that! :P LoL. Agree. ;-) >> (BTW, by "rational attitude to morality" I mean "attitude to morality >> which takes morality seriously, and at the same time takes seriously >> the >> _reality_, i.e., not some nice-looking theory which does not work in >> practice, nor any way to just say that morality doesn't matter. IOW, >> "rational attitude to morality" is just "the Catholic attitude to >> morality".) > > Yes. I think that this is closer to what I wanted to say earlier. > >> Again, too simplistic and not true. > >> FWIW, I work in a small software house which mostly uses open-source >> software (which is not the same as free software, but has a big >> intersection with it). We use Node.js, Vagrant, Ansible, PostgreSQL... >> And our boss encourages us to "give back" to the larger community by >> bug >> reports, pull requests and open-sourcing small utilities we write. > > I think that it's worth a lot! Shut! if half the companies did that... Yes. Maybe we tend to forget what a "commercial company" is. On the one hand, it is (by definition) a means to make money. If it doesn't make money, it does not fulfil its primary purpose, and this means its broken, and should be either fixed or abandoned. On the other hand, it should not be just the instrument of greediness of the owner(s). They in turn are people, and their primary purpose is completely different. If you identify yourself too much with any kind of commercial endeavor, it is a sign of very serious problems. >> *Very true*. We have one person using MacOS. Every time there's some >> problem, someone says "It's because it's Apple." Yes, it's a joke, but >> it's symptomatic. We also run a small, jocular version of "editor war" >> between Emacs (me) and Sublime Text (most of the other developers). > > I like these type of running gags myself :) . :-) I taught Emacs to a friend, whom I sometimes show cool tricks. Once I showed him multiple cursors, which required some choreography from my fingers, but I thought it was quite impressive. Then he nodded and asked "I'm wondering what were you doing with your feet." Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://mbork.pl