From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hw Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Some developement questions Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 17:52:14 +0200 Organization: my virtual residence Message-ID: <87lg8t2ki9.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> References: <444779489.8504194.1534538988289.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <444779489.8504194.1534538988289@mail.yahoo.com> <83sh3cfb3t.fsf@gnu.org> <87sh36inql.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <8336v6cvem.fsf@gnu.org> <8736v6icgt.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83tvnmb958.fsf@gnu.org> <877ekigiiw.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <837ekhb2me.fsf@gnu.org> <87zhxcbmtr.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83in409lub.fsf@gnu.org> <871sanb71j.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83y3cu7t9j.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1535299262 2331 195.159.176.226 (26 Aug 2018 16:01:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 16:01:02 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) Cc: spacibba@aol.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 26 18:00:58 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ftxTG-0000T1-5Z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 18:00:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49557 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ftxVM-0001Al-5p for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:03:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55336) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ftxT9-00088w-BY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:00:53 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ftxLB-0001o4-L8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 11:52:38 -0400 Original-Received: from mo6-p00-ob.smtp.rzone.de ([2a01:238:20a:202:5300::12]:33682) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ftxL9-0001ll-Nm; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 11:52:36 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1535298753; s=strato-dkim-0002; d=adminart.net; h=Sender:References:Message-ID:Date:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From: X-RZG-CLASS-ID:X-RZG-AUTH:From:Subject:Sender; bh=UcZRa7yFRC3hF0KLCsWM7oFgBEc47FgPnr7R5Ni5tlU=; b=nKp5ENqzQxzDbvebo5yCYt/s164DXRMv8UfCEXdCGYeFxtfzwL9RwB6EiAwFEVNiti 3/ewjdIhIP1Xpy012TbxIvL25jvxuu1SAvJCH9d1oGuVL1sSArlMpE7gqSAv45f7eJbZ KRwvvUUqLqBjk5lVD1c0M/tC1//t186dhjnfXihoHYnPho+6mxRfKpiKtIwhQu+9oQi9 0wpoB8RwuGBm6GmO+rrnamy0qGUJNabm2CHlaWGjL/SskXal8dJSK/raWY3eeBpKiyFy dwr9W1jXMGaZKF4cVvjEG3sV4OMYsGrz97FYFjEmow0LTts8M/JA9irVWyDgaQtC0X2W j8iA== X-RZG-AUTH: ":O2kGeEG7b/pS1FS4THaxjVF9w0vVgfQ9xGcjwO5WMRo5c+h5ceMqQWZ3yrBp+AVdIIwXjneEe9k=" X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 Original-Received: from lee by himinbjorg.adminart.net with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ftxL3-0000YG-Ue; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 17:52:29 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83y3cu7t9j.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 25 Aug 2018 11:19:36 +0300") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2a01:238:20a:202:5300::12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:228935 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: hw >> Cc: spacibba@aol.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 03:31:18 +0200 >> >> >> (setq Man-width 75) >> > >> > Emacs nowadays calculates the width dynamically, depending on the >> > dimensions of the window. >> >> Why not make Emacs dynamically size it's windows to the width of the >> display first? ;~O >> >> >> >> Yes, Emacs can do that since a while, and has made it an extremely >> annoying default. Who wants to read manual pages or other text when it >> has been formatted to be about 140--300 characters per line wide (and >> way more than that if my eyes were what they used to be)? >> [...] >> This is a good example for a default that really should be changed. > > Feel free to file a bug report about it. Hm, ok, I did that (no response yet). Let's see what happens. >> Think of what Ergus pointed out in his last post[1] about the >> difficulties users and Emacs are experiencing: > [...] >> + get nothing to work > > I agree that practical steps towards helping new users is something > that are very welcome. How about getting new users in the first place? Ergus is right that Emacs is not the default editor --- I always have to explicitly install it and it always annoys me that it isn't installed by default for any of Centos, Debian, Gentoo, Fedora. Ubuntu and arch probably don't have a good default, either. Instead, you always need to guess which editor might be installed unless you installed one, and that is usually at least vi, which I don't get along with. I wouldn't know how to sway who ever decides what is being installed by default in any of these distributions to make Emacs a default. One reason for it not to be the default may be that it makes for somewhat large packages maybe. It is questionable if that should still be a concern nowadays. Imagine that, it may even be the only reason. And it remains that way only because nobody thought about it yet.