* Possible feature request (but more of a request for comment/opinion) @ 2018-10-27 7:40 Emil Vatai 2018-10-27 9:38 ` Nicolas Goaziou 0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: Emil Vatai @ 2018-10-27 7:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Emacs-orgmode [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1215 bytes --] I got encouraged on the IRC channel to write about my ambitions here. So I have a web page generated by org-mode which has a fancy quote at the beginning, generated by #+BEGIN/END_QUOTE of course... and the signature/citation/reference at the end seemed off so I googled "html blockquote" and apparently the proper way to use it [1] is to have a <cite> tag after the <blockquote> tag. So I thought, this can't be so hard... let's do it... a few copy/pastes and search-and-replaces later... I realized that the #+BEGIN/END_QUOTE block is processed not just by ox-html but also buy the other backends... so to make things nice, I'd need to implement the same thing in them as well... which might not be a meaningful thing to do. I just had that urge that "wow, I want to contribute to that cool project (org-mode) which I use so much"... but it's not something what I thing should be extra useful. It can be done without adding a CITE block to the html export backend. I need it only in one place - so probably not worth it. But still, any opinion on this? (I got really good encouragement on IRC to write here) Best, Emil [1] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/blockquote -- Emil Vatai [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1598 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* Re: Possible feature request (but more of a request for comment/opinion) 2018-10-27 7:40 Possible feature request (but more of a request for comment/opinion) Emil Vatai @ 2018-10-27 9:38 ` Nicolas Goaziou 2018-10-27 9:54 ` Emil Vatai 0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2018-10-27 9:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Emil Vatai; +Cc: Emacs-orgmode Hello, Emil Vatai <emil.vatai@gmail.com> writes: > So I have a web page generated by org-mode which has a fancy quote at the > beginning, generated by #+BEGIN/END_QUOTE of course... and the > signature/citation/reference at the end seemed off so I googled "html > blockquote" and apparently the proper way to use it [1] is to have a <cite> > tag after the <blockquote> tag. So I thought, this can't be so hard... > let's do it... a few copy/pastes and search-and-replaces later... I > realized that the #+BEGIN/END_QUOTE block is processed not just by ox-html > but also buy the other backends... so to make things nice, I'd need to > implement the same thing in them as well... which might not be a meaningful > thing to do. Could you be a bit more explicit about what you want to do, possibly giving an example? > I just had that urge that "wow, I want to contribute to that cool project > (org-mode) which I use so much"... but it's not something what I thing > should be extra useful. It can be done without adding a CITE block to the > html export backend. I need it only in one place - so probably not worth it. > > But still, any opinion on this? (I got really good encouragement on IRC to > write here) You can add a feature per export back-end, using, e.g., "ATTR_HTML" keyword: #+attr_html: :cite The source #+begin_quote ... #+end_quote For example, ox-texinfo supports :author for quotes: #+attr_texinfo: :author ... #+begin_quote ... #+end_quote See `org-texinfo-quote-block' for details. Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* Re: Possible feature request (but more of a request for comment/opinion) 2018-10-27 9:38 ` Nicolas Goaziou @ 2018-10-27 9:54 ` Emil Vatai 2018-10-27 15:01 ` Nicolas Goaziou 0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: Emil Vatai @ 2018-10-27 9:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Emacs-orgmode [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2906 bytes --] Dear Nicolas, Thank you for the quick response. According to the developer.mozilla.org link, a quote and a citation should look like this: <blockquote cite="https://www.huxley.net/bnw/four.html"> <p>Words can be like X-rays, if you use them properly – they'll go through anything. You read and you're pierced.</p> </blockquote> <cite>– Aldous Huxley, Brave New World</cite> The quote part is straightforward in org-mode: #+attr_html: :cite https://www.huxley.net/bnw/four.html #+begin_quote Words can be like X-rays, if you use them properly – they'll go through anything. You read and you're pierced. #+end_quote But what to do with the: <cite>– Aldous Huxley, Brave New World</cite> part? So I was (for a brief moment) motivated to implement #BEGIN/END_CITE for org-mode, but now it doesn't seem to make much sense to do so. I can implement it simply by adding an export html block (for the one situation I need it). Hopefully this example clarifies what my question is about. Regards, Emil On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 6:38 PM Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> wrote: > Hello, > > Emil Vatai <emil.vatai@gmail.com> writes: > > > So I have a web page generated by org-mode which has a fancy quote at the > > beginning, generated by #+BEGIN/END_QUOTE of course... and the > > signature/citation/reference at the end seemed off so I googled "html > > blockquote" and apparently the proper way to use it [1] is to have a > <cite> > > tag after the <blockquote> tag. So I thought, this can't be so hard... > > let's do it... a few copy/pastes and search-and-replaces later... I > > realized that the #+BEGIN/END_QUOTE block is processed not just by > ox-html > > but also buy the other backends... so to make things nice, I'd need to > > implement the same thing in them as well... which might not be a > meaningful > > thing to do. > > Could you be a bit more explicit about what you want to do, possibly > giving an example? > > > I just had that urge that "wow, I want to contribute to that cool project > > (org-mode) which I use so much"... but it's not something what I thing > > should be extra useful. It can be done without adding a CITE block to the > > html export backend. I need it only in one place - so probably not worth > it. > > > > But still, any opinion on this? (I got really good encouragement on IRC > to > > write here) > > You can add a feature per export back-end, using, e.g., "ATTR_HTML" > keyword: > > #+attr_html: :cite The source > #+begin_quote > ... > #+end_quote > > For example, ox-texinfo supports :author for quotes: > > #+attr_texinfo: :author ... > #+begin_quote > ... > #+end_quote > > See `org-texinfo-quote-block' for details. > > Regards, > > -- > Nicolas Goaziou > -- Emil Vatai [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 4084 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* Re: Possible feature request (but more of a request for comment/opinion) 2018-10-27 9:54 ` Emil Vatai @ 2018-10-27 15:01 ` Nicolas Goaziou 0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2018-10-27 15:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Emil Vatai; +Cc: Emacs-orgmode Emil Vatai <emil.vatai@gmail.com> writes: > According to the developer.mozilla.org link, a quote and a citation should > look like this: > > <blockquote cite="https://www.huxley.net/bnw/four.html"> > <p>Words can be like X-rays, if you use them properly – they'll go > through anything. You read and you're pierced.</p> > </blockquote> > <cite>– Aldous Huxley, Brave New World</cite> Note that according to some other site, I can see: <blockquote> Any inaccuracies in this index may be explained by the fact that it has been sorted with the help of a computer.<br> — from <cite>The Art of Computer Programming</cite> by Donald Knuth </blockquote> > The quote part is straightforward in org-mode: > > #+attr_html: :cite https://www.huxley.net/bnw/four.html > > #+begin_quote > Words can be like X-rays, if you use them properly – they'll go through > anything. You read and you're pierced. > #+end_quote > > But what to do with the: > <cite>– Aldous Huxley, Brave New World</cite> > part? > > So I was (for a brief moment) motivated to implement #BEGIN/END_CITE for > org-mode, but now it doesn't seem to make much sense to do so. I can > implement it simply by adding an export html block (for the one situation I > need it). > > Hopefully this example clarifies what my question is about. As I suggested, "begin_cite ... end_cite" is not the way to go. If you want to implement this, it should be an HTML attribute for the "begin_quote ... end_quote" block. I gave you an example of such implementation in my previous answer. The issue, however, is that <cite>...</cite> only covers a part of the reference, e.g., — from <cite>The Art of Computer Programming</cite> by Donald Knuth I think including the author is tolerated: — from <cite>The Art of Computer Programming by Donald Knuth</cite> but the "from" part is still not within the <cite> tag. Therefore a :cite attribute may not be useful. Regards, ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
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