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[78.207.202.134]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c4sm39461014wrw.72.2020.12.15.02.18.33 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 15 Dec 2020 02:18:33 -0800 (PST) Mail-Copies-To: never Gmane-Reply-To-List: yes In-Reply-To: <871rfsnt6f.fsf@zoho.eu> (Emanuel Berg via Users list for the's message of "Mon, 14 Dec 2020 19:23:04 +0100") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::32d; envelope-from=rpluim@gmail.com; helo=mail-wm1-x32d.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:126386 Archived-At: Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor writes: > Robert Pluim wrote: > >>> Ah, right, that whole story with zoho! That is also why >>> I have/get the via line in the From header. Feels like >>> AGES ago! >>> >>> There was also some big politics to it. Like Gmail trying to >>> bully people not using Gmail or something? >> >> Not really. It's the various mail providers attempting to >> stop spam masquerading as coming from them, which then >> unfortunately prevents mailing lists from sending on your >> email with the original From, since they're not your email >> provider. Gmail is fairly liberal, hence why my messages >> don't get munged. > > OK, but there was _something_ like that, maybe not Gmail then. Yes, but it's zoho.eu who have the restrictive policy, not gmail. Robert