From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Fogel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Let's make Emacs mainstream (through org-mode) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 18:22:46 -0400 Message-ID: <87lfdyaevd.fsf@red-bean.com> References: Reply-To: Karl Fogel Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16551"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: James Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 15 23:24:48 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kpIkS-0004CT-Q4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 23:24:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45036 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpIkR-0005Qz-5P for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 17:24:47 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55168) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpIig-00048C-Ry for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 17:22:58 -0500 Original-Received: from newsp.red-bean.com ([45.79.25.59]:38046 helo=sanpietro.red-bean.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpIiY-0002OW-Fy; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 17:22:57 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=red-bean.com; s=202005newsp; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date:Reply-To:References:Subject:Cc:To: From:Sender:Content-ID:Content-Description; bh=0600Zc1xOd23LMdGaXWLqyE9pfN9vxu8XVXhp1RR/Q4=; t=1608070969; x=1609280569; b=QG6I70lDKcxgaMx+fRG0f4w2ydzJcIgOaBO1QMk5GH1RQrG8QmYLqYtI1VBgdX+KUbLrrKf+mB cYEST/G4jMN9Usmy1QZzb3eg76umam3Q7RolORVBqB3MiqHFW0Y5bxeZz9GheE1wTo406S90msUIZ UQDgbD3lX1wGwj7NzLQc5VvOBtGfCs7dAAbCnjdDdwrxYe7hkfQnDVfRpW2ozx3Y5d14jaI5BwNSJ Y6AGRvsrs7JiwJ03CXtYsPlLQM0EpPZgEirVuKbZv0FRx4HDp92o5bM/RH4IYbxw4/Cvh+2txQv75 OUKIs8xhmLPMvNKYCAGJvPap5AM81m7Mw6XXA==; Original-Received: from host-24-89-198-178.public.eastlink.ca ([24.89.198.178]:51860 helo=klen) by sanpietro.red-bean.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kpIiW-0006bT-7I; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 22:22:48 +0000 In-Reply-To: (James Lu's message of "Tue, 15 Dec 2020 16:50:43 -0500") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=45.79.25.59; envelope-from=kfogel@red-bean.com; helo=sanpietro.red-bean.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SPF_HELO_TEMPERROR=0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:260937 Archived-At: On 15 Dec 2020, James Lu wrote: >I spent months of my life researching todo app. > >Every single todo list app would approximate some person's ideal todo >list app, but every person complained it was missing one=C2=A0feature they >needed. >Emacs org-mode solves this problem. > >Either=C2=A0an app had too few buttons or too many buttons. >Emacs org-mode solves this problem. > >Let's stop messing with code. > >Let's start hacking. > >Clever hacking is doing the impossible. >Let's start writing GFDL guides and selling them. >Let's start selling support plans. >Let's start making Emacs org-mode a hot trend. >Let's make the website RMS suggested where you can ask questions on >org-mode, and see public answers. > >Who's with me? Org Mode is very powerful, and some of the ideas you list above could be su= ccessful. I encourage you to try them! But I think asking "Who's with me?= " is not a route to making them happen. As Eli Zaretskii replied to an ear= lier post of yours back in September [1]: > Nothing in Emacs gets done because someone asks a "why not do this > and that?" question. We don't have a means to tell some employee to > do this and that job. For a job to get done, someone motivated > enough should sit down and do it. The best candidate for that is > whoever raises the issue in the first place, but of course not > everyone who proposes something can actually implement it. Best regards, -Karl [1] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2020-09/msg02110.html