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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273570 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > > Did you just say to all of them that they all had to do (1)? > > > No, I just inform the maintainers that their packages have been added to > > NonGNU ELPA, how it works (new versions are released when the "Version" > > attribute is updated) and that they might update the documentation if > > they are interested in promoting NonGNU ELPA as a installation method. > > Thanks. > > Did I understand correctly that your message saying that had the > effect of causing some of them to act uncomfortable? If so, did any > of them say just what it was that had that effect? We would rather > not have that effect, and if a considerable number of them have an > issue with it, it would be useful for us to find out just what. Then > we could think about whether we might want to make some change -- > either in our policies for NonGNU ELPA, or in the way we present them. I wouldn't say uncomfortable, the specific package was haskell-mode that seems to use some special release mechanism geared towards MELPA. The difference there is that MELPA always generates their own version tag, so they do not add one manually in the repo itself. The maintainer Steve Purcell, who is also one of the main MELPA contributors, just asked for some more time to make sure that everything will work as expected. The only other complaint I have heard of is that in ELPA differing from MELPA, package maintainers have to change their workflow. All of the complaints where technical in nature. Nobody explicitly opposed NonGNU on policy or ideological grounds (at least up until now), so I don't think anything has to be changed for now. -- Philip Kaludercic