From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Tweaking the output of `C-h b' Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2021 18:06:41 +0100 Message-ID: <87lf23voim.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87lf29xdkf.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7cxx9bh.fsf@gnus.org> <874k8xx8fc.fsf@gnus.org> <87r1c0x6ul.fsf@gnus.org> <87mtmox56x.fsf@gnus.org> <87ilxcx2kp.fsf@gnus.org> <87cznkf37j.fsf@igel.home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10224"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Andreas Schwab Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 04 18:08:23 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1migDv-0002Vb-Pw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 04 Nov 2021 18:08:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53168 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1migDu-0001mG-OR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 04 Nov 2021 13:08:22 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37656) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1migCS-00008i-N6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Nov 2021 13:06:53 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:46902) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1migCR-0001zj-56 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Nov 2021 13:06:52 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=CdhBt0EsIK/vwOuZ+EZ6f/TejGm1lGA2/ZKtGzjEpFU=; b=HLpXJ5RBODSLDt/CewVZOeuHX6 XU0osT0N0wNhUkXNHCtuRrjMq3SvJpjgcdJ8KKvwinY0u7JVbDC1iaKUQIicvPVPRaJlQ3O46mlbT OK2LfaigPd9t2V96xcDVorvD8XEFs6M+70r3kdlGHH1vjFXrJVp/65ZzZ6TQiCbskL5Q=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1migCK-0004uF-Oa; Thu, 04 Nov 2021 18:06:47 +0100 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAD1BMVEUgNXEtS4w0RXiE kqX///+Z2dV5AAAAAWJLR0QEj2jZUQAAAAd0SU1FB+ULBBAyCxRrqF4AAAG7SURBVDjLbZSJsSUh CEUBEwA7AdQEnpJ/bgMuvfwaq97SHJErSwP8XQL/WRyA/xj1eHxdEu2NKLEADxjpjuGL8bghj/Mv rOIOy6cVfgCEi6urANRbrbn6h9yQRXwfg1mnMSijYknmT5d//YBVzNr4tWJyXc1tFqCDYMm5lTFa z71XOSviZbxUa6kkutQeAIUy5davHva8QcgsrgeIfvAAnskkK0+mpKyD5mF07ID4Ae/E4xdQrqtK IiSzJDtHZBY/Bv06pg2YIsKgX9rxdkVISzwYjqafoKRTd8ffATs4ap+R6C7lLfeAx2MhCpDeYNc9 MsXScaRvDFgpfAOMnSTJgZQIfsBcVZI3Bov5BXndXDhA1sTNRAxG49W9C8gEXTo00yIfoCjIrrkp vmIINPbiijHMe9ANuPlR2UxdlZPyAlqrd6XL5Tpz/oBZKOpJq48HT+Bl5qtEzMtBLRP4NPiNRKcY MpVWswMND56SOUDVMo+QyBX7XMbjlu+dJSo77XS6eM8mB5hjtVrJVeJWmWG2Nd8jHvsiJsI9oLKB TCn11Vv3tZ7BudvOUT4gzgyFvOLnXF5gvyWWhLKE/QOg1ThHVgPcVQAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTpjcmVh dGUAMjAyMS0xMS0wNFQxNjo1MDoxMSswMDowMFtgbGgAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6bW9kaWZ5ADIwMjEt MTEtMDRUMTY6NTA6MTErMDA6MDAqPdTUAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: The Moon Seven Times's _7=49_: "Crybaby" In-Reply-To: <87cznkf37j.fsf@igel.home> (Andreas Schwab's message of "Mon, 01 Nov 2021 13:52:16 +0100") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:278687 Archived-At: Andreas Schwab writes: > TAB navigation is a bit odd. When point is on the arrow or the heading > after it, TAB toggles it. Well, that's how outline-minor-mode works... But perhaps there should be a separation between how outline-minor-mode works in special-mode and editing buffers -- TAB might make sense in editing buffers, but probably not in special-mode buffers. On the other hand, I'm guessing changing this would annoy people used to it. > Otherwise TAB moves to the next button, but > skips over the arrows. C-x ] doesn't move to the next arrow either, but > one position before (so that RET doesn't work). 'n' does work more logically, though. > I think TAB should always move to the next notable point, either an > arrow or a button, Yes. It apparently not trivial -- adding button/category properties to those buttons (which will make TAB try to take you to them) does not work, probably because of the invisible text. > and RET should probably toggle also if over a header line (unless it > is over a button, where RET currently doesn't work). Oh, RET on a button in an outline header doesn't work... hm... There's something odd going on with the key bindings in *Help* buffers. `C-h k RET' says that it's `newline' instead of `push-button' from `button-map' -- except on the buttons (which do not have a `keymap' text property). How does that all hook up? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no