From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Comments on setopt Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2022 18:31:27 +0000 Message-ID: <87ley66740.fsf@posteo.net> References: <871r05rr2r.fsf@posteo.net> <87a6esztjj.fsf@yahoo.com> <87bkz7wagv.fsf@yahoo.com> <87a6enkt2k.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25835"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Po Lu , Richard Stallman , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 19 19:32:17 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nLUWn-0006Z9-3l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 19 Feb 2022 19:32:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60026 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nLUWm-0004Le-28 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 19 Feb 2022 13:32:16 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:55836) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nLUW6-0003h3-T0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Feb 2022 13:31:34 -0500 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:51659) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nLUW4-0004kb-Fw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Feb 2022 13:31:34 -0500 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2DE51240101 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2022 19:31:28 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1645295489; bh=rG6mHUH8xFrkUBGO4AM6bg6sdt+Q2GteKG1rpvZh2go=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:From; b=Qrr3b7+AUNeeBfjjFQMbBFWh0xzmsZh3zq6PVeierAZ+0X3km7V3y3v9BHS+KS+dJ LuRe2P0hRKZreyhhvMFEK2Xo5uUp4GmF3P37CKvV5D3iO/YR3bV+5rFub+rmxIZYaj b0/sUxt6WUlX9W637bE7CBhuqGST2sRGMB0Gj1OPhPcVSBUH8gMpSSvtvAsByv0tCy AW3Gglqg51yRg0MWhSjtgtudQJnq6y13ESgH4JrJyXsM20E47Cc/2k9NOwew26h4q1 fS/uNCOx5fldECuGZztebwAxPrt2PRWmh1O8uJV+LW1c6/67whlFEgrzRWete8aVcb SxOPWmjxyTbow== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4K1HFr1rRDz6tmX; Sat, 19 Feb 2022 19:31:28 +0100 (CET) Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; prefer-encrypt=nopreference; keydata= mDMEYHHqUhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAp3GdmYJ6tm5McweY6dEvIYIiry+Oz9rU4MH6NHWK0Ee0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiQBBMWCAA4FiEEDM2H44ZoPt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwMFCwkIBwIGFQoJ CAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQtVrAHPRh1FyTkgEAjlbGPxFchvMbxzAES3r8QLuZgCxeAXunM9gh io0ePtUBALVhh9G6wIoZhl0gUCbQpoN/UJHI08Gm1qDob5zDxnIHuDgEYHHqUhIKKwYBBAGXVQEF AQEHQNcRB+MUimTMqoxxMMUERpOR+Q4b1KgncDZkhrO2ql1tAwEIB4h4BBgWCAAgFiEEDM2H44Zo Pt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwwACgkQtVrAHPRh1Fw1JwD/Qo7kvtib8jy7puyWrSv0MeTS g8qIxgoRWJE/KKdkCLEA/jb9b9/g8nnX+UcwHf/4VfKsjExlnND3FrBviXUW6NcB In-Reply-To: <87a6enkt2k.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sat, 19 Feb 2022 12:13:23 +0100") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:286484 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Richard Stallman writes: > >> Since it isn't meant for the command line options that `getopt' examines, >> the name `setopt' is misleading. (It already misled me!) >> This name should be changed to something longer and clearer. > > You mean you thought this had something to do with getopt.h? I don't > thing confusing `setopt' with that has potential to confuse many people > writing Lisp code -- most people haven't heard of getopt.h, there is no > `getopt' function in Emacs Lisp, and what would setting a command line > switch even mean? > > The point is that we need a variant of `setq' for user options that > people can use when saying `M-:' and in init files, so it needs to be > short and snappy. `seto' and `setc' were proposed, but I thought those > were too confusing. While I do see that there is potential for confusion between seto and oset, I'd like to argue once more for setc. It is no less confusing from a non-lisp-hacker perspective than setq (that also only makes sense when you understand set). -- Philip Kaludercic