From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: use-package :after ?? Date: Fri, 12 May 2023 08:31:39 +0200 Message-ID: <87lehuxdpw.fsf@dataswamp.org> References: <83fs87c8wg.fsf@gnu.org> <835y8z76qx.fsf@gnu.org> <83lehu3wkl.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32603"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:szDiph4B8vqZdFFonKeK59pViVA= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat May 13 14:43:08 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pxoaa-0008J2-BK for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 13 May 2023 14:43:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pxoaC-0001X5-7d; Sat, 13 May 2023 08:42:44 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pxMJj-0007s5-RX for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 12 May 2023 02:31:59 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pxMJh-0004Tu-7A for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 12 May 2023 02:31:50 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pxMJe-0004DQ-Vm for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 12 May 2023 08:31:46 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 13 May 2023 08:42:41 -0400 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:143585 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> For instance, what happens if A should be after B, but you >> never define B with use-package? > > Isn't it clear? If B is never loaded, A will _never_ be > loaded in that case. It doesn't matter whether B is loaded > via use-package or by some other means. How is this NOT > clear from the description? > >> Or B is demand loaded later? > > Later than what? A will _always_ be loaded as the last step > in loading B, whenever the latter happens. > >> Or make the rule explicit in infodoc that :after does what >> it does regardless of demand/defer. > > So is the difficulty because of :defer and/or :demand? > If so, please ask questions that involve those. Because so > far you were asking about :after alone, and there I see > nothing unclear. Why should this be done manually at all? For example, a source file should just say, I need X, Y and Z since I use stuff from those. What order they are loaded shouldn't matter since they are all needed. Also, whatever stuff they themselves need is up to them to solve - with the same simple method, preferably. -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal