From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sebastian Miele Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#64124: 29.0.91; Loading =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=98tramp=E2=80=99?= unconditionally loads =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=98ls-lisp=E2=80=99?= Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2023 10:55:08 +0200 Message-ID: <87legixw49.fsf@whxvd.name> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5145"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: 64124@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 17 11:44:22 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qASTl-0001CA-Lo for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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That in particular has the effect that g= lobstar patterns do not work as advertised in [[info:emacs#Dired Enter]], even though my SHELL does support them out of the box. So now the situation is: If you use Tramp, then you also use =E2=80=98ls-li= sp=E2=80=99, and cannot use globstar patterns, as advertised in the Emacs manual. This can be alliviated by removing the advice around =E2=80=98dired=E2=80= =99 in my config. However, I do not know whether that breaks anything. I don't know a good way out. As far as I understand the description of =E2=80=98tramp-compat=E2=80=99, it should not be necessary for Emacs=C2=A02= 9, so it should not be required unconditionally in =E2=80=98tramp=E2=80=99. But even then,= and for Emacs=C2=A0<29, a compatibility layer ideally would not make a decision like whether to use =E2=80=98ls-lisp=E2=80=99, or not. In any case, if =E2=80=98ls-lisp=E2=80=99 is necessary when using Tramp, [[info:emacs#Dired Enter]] definitely should mention that. It took me more than two hours to figure out what is wrong with one of the first Dired features explained in the Emacs manual. 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