From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ihor Radchenko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New Package for NonGNU-ELPA: clojure-ts-mode Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 11:01:38 +0000 Message-ID: <87ledrtqzx.fsf@localhost> References: <87il9kksqz.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87wmxj27fn.fsf@dfreeman.email> <831qfrptiq.fsf@gnu.org> <57429221-d9be-5791-e975-b3539905e2f6@gutov.dev> <83a5udlj47.fsf@gnu.org> <87a5udk1co.fsf@posteo.net> <835y51kslv.fsf@gnu.org> <7a82c524-1aa1-e755-e377-673ebb107a44@gutov.dev> <83r0nok8s4.fsf@gnu.org> <87il90znco.fsf@yahoo.com> <1977fbef-307b-bcf4-9448-64f26916dd65@gutov.dev> <87edjozlqq.fsf@yahoo.com> <43ddad10-49dd-1c49-ebfe-51689780b315@gutov.dev> <83jztgk410.fsf@gnu.org> <83edjojx8c.fsf@gnu.org> <8734zzv7vk.fsf@localhost> <83edjjecmx.fsf@gnu.org> <87wmxbtsd4.fsf@localhost> <83bkeneb8j.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38744"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: stefankangas@gmail.com, dmitry@gutov.dev, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 31 13:02:31 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qbfRW-0009pO-LE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2023 13:02:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qbfQL-0006pH-GC; Thu, 31 Aug 2023 07:01:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qbfQH-0006or-18 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2023 07:01:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qbfQC-0007PA-6S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2023 07:01:12 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1FD66240028 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2023 13:01:06 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1693479666; bh=Ap2KbglvX3tpO9r2b1yINjyP+C6rj+lrpT8aBFaemh0=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:From; b=RILOn8iJ0840oruol/3g1O+pJXnwyp+1/izXseL/zb5erY261b+oYHttvtSvBZvRS yeUYXD++k25PpqGKzuKTbKFFvy521hijrV/rrbz16tVuXooPx2UWoIWJwEkLY4Au3W 3GpY/JKwM1jAkcprh+FGiPeTLKz1egESKNH0pfY4PxUuKsinYTwoJExtkvh/1gVVzM mPHVx0EOdFGGmEbSfPWo9S4Cs/7mntnftMjGlJ/SXreC69ftnNVf/rNz5oTHTUEM+M c7OdSNnN6WG5Kw08gDlUpu4ZpDefD4AcbS7uLrLl0UrVuk9V6ZkoyMmcsUs4tH07Nu FPrWPNHmxH+VA== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4Rbyrc75lcz9rxG; Thu, 31 Aug 2023 13:01:04 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <83bkeneb8j.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=yantar92@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309623 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> For Org, a number of people just update from ELPA. Releasing benefits >> these users. > > I don't see how is that different from updating from Git. Not all the users are even familiar with Git. But every Emacs user is expected to know how to M-x package-upgrade. Getting Org (or Emacs) from Git would require non-trivial knowledge. Even I fail to compile Emacs from sources when using non-familiar distros like Debian. >> > A minor release is more than just code with some bugs fixed: it (a) >> > has no known bugs except those whose fix is too risky, and (b) was >> > tested in the wild during a pretest. >> >> You are right. To clarify: I am talking about _bugfix_ releases. Like >> Org 9.6.7 -> 9.6.8. Emacs does not have those, currently. > > If bugfix releases just fix bugs, then basically every commit on the > release branch is such a "release", because we only fix bugs there. That's my point - get at least some bug fixes available to casual users faster. Not on every commit, but with somewhat higher frequency compared to "proper" minor releases. > And don't forget that minor releases affect downstream distros: they > need to package a new release, patch it, announce it, manage it, etc. > It's very different from a single package, even a package that is as > large as Org. Sure. That's why I said that downstream packaging is the bottleneck that should decide the acceptable bugfix release interval. >> So, what about "bugfix" releases? AFAIU, it is mostly producing a >> release tarball + waiting for Emacs to be packaged on major GNU/Linux >> distributions. The timing would be anything acceptable for the latter >> task, which appears to be a bottleneck in such scenario. > > That has only disadvantages from my POV: 2 hours of work to produce > and test a tarball with no benefits at all. If someone wants to > volunteer to do that, fine. (But then making a tarball by following > the instructions in make-tarball.txt is easy, and anyone can do that > for themselves if they want to.) Can it be simply automated? -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at