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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: bug-cc-mode@gnu.org, acm@muc.de, Andries.Brouwer@cwi.nl,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: cc-mode adds newlines
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:27:58 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87k6sbzxro.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1CWmsP-0001me-6h@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard Stallman's message of "Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:27:25 -0500")

>     I think that would be silly.  Tons of variable might want to be set
>     differently in different modes.  Do we really want to add all the
>     corresponding foo-modes side-variables?

> This is an example of taking something to an extreme and then
> criticizing the extreme.  This particular variable seems to be a special
> issue.  I'm not proposing this for all variables, only for this one.

Looking at my own .emacs, I see that I never set require-final-newline in
a mode-dependent way.  After all, the final-newline is an extremely minor
detail, so setting the global value of require-final-newline is already
a lot of effort compared to the potential benefit.
On the other hand, there are several other variables that I set differently
depending on the major mode.

Now I'm not the canonical user, but I still think it's a good indication
that if we add require-final-newline-in-modes, we should also add many other
similar variables for fill-column, fill-prefix, comment-start,
comment-auto-fill-only-in-comments, comment-end, left-margin, tab-width,
indent-tabs-mode, font-lock-keyword-face, font-lock-function-name-face,
fill-indent-according-to-mode, c-basic-offset, ...

> However, we could also just add a single new variable
> require-final-newline-in-modes which says what to do in certain
> modes that ask for it.  The modes that now bind require-final-newline
> to t would bind it to require-final-newline-in-modes instead.

I can't believe we're spending so much time on a miserable final newline
which is very rarely missing and even more rarely a source of problem.

> If we do this, I think we should do this in a way that doesn't require
> a special custom type, so that it would work for any variable.

Agreed,


        Stefan

  reply	other threads:[~2004-11-24  4:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 112+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <mailman.3671.1100818498.8225.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2004-11-18 23:23 ` cc-mode adds newlines Kevin Rodgers
2004-11-19  0:46   ` Andreas Schwab
2004-11-18 23:31 ` Jari Aalto
2004-11-18 23:31 ` Jari Aalto
2004-11-19 20:27   ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-11-19 23:13     ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-20  0:13       ` Miles Bader
2004-11-20 15:14       ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-11-21  2:08         ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 10:00           ` Miles Bader
2004-11-21 11:38             ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 12:08               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2004-11-21 12:45                 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 12:58                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2004-11-21 13:03                     ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 13:09                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2004-11-25 15:59                         ` cc-mode adds newlines version=2.64 Jari Aalto
2004-11-22  0:03                     ` cc-mode adds newlines Stefan Monnier
2004-11-21 12:53               ` Miles Bader
2004-11-21 13:00                 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 13:14                   ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 13:35                     ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 13:41                       ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 13:54                         ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 15:54                           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2004-11-21 11:06           ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 11:45             ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 12:08               ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 11:41           ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-11-21 12:26             ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 12:34               ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 12:49                 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 13:08                   ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 13:28                     ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 13:37                       ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 13:43                         ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 13:51                           ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 14:03                             ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 15:01                               ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 15:08                                 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-22 19:21                                   ` Kevin Rodgers
2004-11-21 15:18                               ` Andreas Schwab
2004-11-21 15:36                                 ` Andries Brouwer
     [not found]                       ` <01c4d003$Blat.v2.2.2$3d9a05c0@zahav.net.il>
2004-11-21 21:28                         ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-22  4:35                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-11-22  9:04                           ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 13:52               ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-11-21 14:29                 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 15:07                   ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 15:20                     ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 19:03                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2004-11-21 21:19                     ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 21:46                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2004-11-21 22:19                         ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-22 11:54                       ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2004-11-22 15:54                         ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-22 16:56                           ` Andreas Schwab
2004-11-21 15:50                 ` Kai Grossjohann
2004-11-22 19:20                   ` Kevin Rodgers
2004-11-24 10:12                     ` Kai Grossjohann
     [not found]               ` <01c4d002$Blat.v2.2.2$50b57dc0@zahav.net.il>
2004-11-21 21:21                 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-22  4:31                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-11-22  0:12             ` Stefan Monnier
2004-11-22 14:07             ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-22 15:52               ` Stefan Monnier
2004-11-22 19:16                 ` Kevin Rodgers
2004-11-22 20:06                   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-11-24  2:27                 ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-24  4:27                   ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2004-11-28 14:45                     ` Martin Stjernholm
2004-11-29  6:11                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-30 10:51                         ` Martin Stjernholm
2004-12-01  2:56                           ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-21 14:47           ` Andreas Schwab
2004-11-21 15:03             ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 15:39         ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-21 21:47           ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-11-23 16:30             ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-25  2:21             ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-25 20:35               ` Alan Mackenzie
     [not found] ` <mailman.3684.1100821293.8225.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2004-11-19  0:14   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-11-19 20:04     ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]     ` <mailman.56.1100895632.27204.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2004-11-19 22:00       ` Hallvard B Furuseth
2004-11-21 15:38         ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]         ` <mailman.416.1101052189.27204.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2004-11-22  5:55           ` Paul D. Smith
     [not found]           ` <mailman.619.1101127694.27204.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2004-11-22 18:55             ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]             ` <mailman.723.1101150150.27204.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2004-11-22 19:37               ` Hallvard B Furuseth
2004-11-22 22:49                 ` Andreas Schwab
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.778.1101164414.27204.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2004-11-28 19:39                   ` Hallvard B Furuseth
2004-11-28 16:56 Andries.Brouwer
     [not found] ` <Andries.Brouwer@cwi.nl>
2004-11-28 17:17   ` Martin Stjernholm
2004-11-28 20:20     ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-29  0:14       ` Kim F. Storm
2004-11-30  7:01       ` Richard Stallman
2004-12-31 15:26         ` Richard Stallman
2004-12-31 16:56           ` Andries Brouwer
2005-01-02 16:05             ` Richard Stallman
2005-01-02 18:02               ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-30  7:01 ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-30  8:11   ` David Kastrup
2004-12-01  2:56     ` Richard Stallman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-11-18 22:45 Andries.Brouwer
2003-01-24  5:18 Luc Teirlinck
2003-01-24  2:41 Luc Teirlinck
2003-01-24  1:36 Luc Teirlinck
2003-01-25 19:22 ` Richard Stallman
     [not found] ` <mailman.985.1043522856.21513.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2003-01-26 20:24   ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
     [not found] <mailman.884.1043357104.21513.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2003-01-23 23:35 ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2003-01-23 22:41 Luc Teirlinck
2003-01-23 21:52 Luc Teirlinck
2003-01-23 21:25 Luc Teirlinck
2003-01-23 13:17 Rommerskirchen Heinrich

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