From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: S-SPC for non-editing modes Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 00:59:16 +0300 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87k5qeo18r.fsf@jurta.org> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1190758028 11320 80.91.229.12 (25 Sep 2007 22:07:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 22:07:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dann@ics.uci.edu, lennart.borgman@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 26 00:07:03 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IaIYQ-0006xG-9o for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 00:06:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IaIYN-0005mr-8h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:06:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IaIYK-0005lt-0O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:06:48 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IaIYI-0005l9-3s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:06:47 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IaIYI-0005l3-0H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:06:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IaIYH-00012L-Jd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:06:45 -0400 Original-Received: from relay02.kiev.sovam.com ([62.64.120.197]) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IaIWY-0000jQ-Aw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:06:45 -0400 Original-Received: from [83.170.232.243] (helo=smtp.svitonline.com) by relay02.kiev.sovam.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IaIVH-000MoL-5s; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 01:03:39 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Tue\, 25 Sep 2007 14\:14\:16 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/23.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Scanner-Signature: 233cb89e4cdd9c68f6fe52a505261b56 X-DrWeb-checked: yes X-SpamTest-Envelope-From: juri@jurta.org X-SpamTest-Group-ID: 00000000 X-SpamTest-Header: Not Detected X-SpamTest-Info: Profiles 1517 [September 25 2007] X-SpamTest-Info: helo_type=3 X-SpamTest-Info: {HEADERS: header Content-Type found without required header Content-Transfer-Encoding} X-SpamTest-Method: none X-SpamTest-Rate: 25 X-SpamTest-Status: Not detected X-SpamTest-Status-Extended: not_detected X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 3.0.0 [0255], KAS30/Release X-detected-kernel: FreeBSD 4.8-5.1 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.3) X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:79867 Archived-At: > But the argument that S-SPC is currently useless because it is unbound is > not a reason to bind it for this purpose. It is not unbound, it duplicates SPC. > Are new users really finding their habits so terribly violated by Emacs that > we need to make changes such as this? PageUp and PageDown are also used in > most browsers, and Emacs supports them. How much is enough? Emacs supports PageUp and PageDown, but in very inconvenient way: typing PageUp on the first screen doesn't move point to the beginning of the buffer. > Go ahead, if you really think it's helpful. If a better use for S-SPC comes > up, I'll argue to change it then. ;-) I know a better use, but only for editing modes where S-SPC could insert a non-breaking space. -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/