From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: mah@everybody.org (Mark A. Hershberger) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What a modern collaboration toolkit looks like Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 12:05:40 -0500 Message-ID: <87k5ms6tuj.fsf@everybody.org> References: <20071230122217.3CA84830B9A@snark.thyrsus.com> <20071231130712.GB8641@thyrsus.com> <20080101171120.GC3830@muc.de> <20080101193731.GA10056@thyrsus.com> <20080101214621.GH3830@muc.de> <20080101224940.GA13164@thyrsus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199293876 30624 80.91.229.12 (2 Jan 2008 17:11:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 17:11:16 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 02 18:11:35 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JA77u-0003r8-Nm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 18:11:35 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JA77Y-0000s4-Bn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 12:11:12 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JA72O-0004jO-DM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 12:05:52 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JA72N-0004iR-Em for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 12:05:51 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JA72N-0004iF-83 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 12:05:51 -0500 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JA72M-0004FW-Iv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 12:05:50 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1JA72K-0001Qa-2C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 17:05:48 +0000 Original-Received: from 24.115.83.248.res-cmts.eph.ptd.net ([24.115.83.248]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 17:05:48 +0000 Original-Received: from mah by 24.115.83.248.res-cmts.eph.ptd.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 17:05:48 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 27 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.115.83.248.res-cmts.eph.ptd.net X-URL: http://mah.everybody.org/weblog/ User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:YmxE8t01l7F9Br74IHf3iv5AY/s= X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:85926 Archived-At: "Eric S. Raymond" writes: >> It's more of a long term problem, in that the number of Emacs users might >> be gradually declining. I'm only guessing here though, I don't know. > > I have no data on this, just an uneasy gut feeling. http://google.com/trends?q=emacs The above chart shows that searches for the term “emacs” have been declining over the past 3 years. I suspect part of this is due to the growth of IDEs like Eclipse. This isn't proof that use of Emacs is declining, of course. But it does indicate that people might not be as interested to learn about it as they were in the past. (If you add “vim” to the chart, you can see that queries for it have stayed more constant. The term “vi” does not have as clear a meaning — most of the hits are for the sixth version of something.) -- http://hexmode.com/ GPG Fingerprint: 7E15 362D A32C DFAB E4D2 B37A 735E F10A 2DFC BFF5 My happiness grows in direct proportion to my acceptance, and in inverse proportion to my expectations. -- Michael J. Fox