From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chong Yidong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: longlines-mode Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 13:31:25 -0500 Message-ID: <87k5kvtthe.fsf@stupidchicken.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1203791625 16754 80.91.229.12 (23 Feb 2008 18:33:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:33:45 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 23 19:34:10 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JSzC8-0001Zm-0Z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:34:03 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JSzBN-0000pd-CD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 13:33:09 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JSzA8-0000cY-IY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 13:31:52 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JSzA6-0000cI-Bs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 13:31:52 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JSzA6-0000cF-1s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 13:31:50 -0500 Original-Received: from c-98-216-111-182.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([98.216.111.182] helo=furry) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JSzA3-0001UU-Ka for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 13:31:49 -0500 Original-Received: by furry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id ED4DFC03A; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 13:31:25 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (Reiner Steib's message of "Sat\, 23 Feb 2008 18\:44\:40 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1.91 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:90129 Archived-At: Reiner Steib writes: > - The default off `longlines-show-hard-newlines' should be changed to > t. When set to nil, there's soft and hard newlines are > indistinguishable. I tried longlines-mode several times, but I > found it very hard to use until I discovered this option. The current default is more familiar to new users, since it is the behavior in the other editors/editing widgets that longlines-mode imitates. I don't know of any other editor that marks hard newlines by default. I suspect most of the people concerned about identifying soft vs hard newlines with a glyph are very experienced Emacs users, who should have no trouble changing the default. > - The default value of `longlines-show-effect' is > (propertize "|\n" 'face 'escape-glyph). > > `M-x customize-variable RET longlines-show-effect RET' should allow > to change only the character (e.g. `|' -> `=C2=B6' =3D "PILCROW SIGN", > "PARAGRAPH SIGN", i.e. keep the properties. > > Maybe splitting string and face would make it easier to customize > it? Good idea. > - As the "old name" of `=C2=B6' ("PILCROW SIGN", old name: "PARAGRAPH > SIGN", U+00B6, 0xB6) indicates, this symbol might be more suitable > as a default in `longlines-show-effect'. Disadvantage: Is isn't an > ASCII character, but I'd guess that > 99% users of Emacs 22+ can > display it fine. As `=C2=B6' is more visible than `|', we might want to > use a smaller font as well. I'll play around with it and see how well it works.