From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Short explanation for & in key ! of dired Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 10:04:57 +0900 Message-ID: <87k5gaz7wm.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: <87hcbkpo0e.fsf@gmail.com> <86y74wzeq1.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <874p7ifonh.fsf@jurta.org> <853an2oupp.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <86skv0s8go.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <878wwqwj5v.fsf@jurta.org> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1214615122 18763 80.91.229.12 (28 Jun 2008 01:05:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 01:05:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Lynbech Christian , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 28 03:06:07 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KCOtD-0001Zq-Cg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 03:06:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45052 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KCOsN-00027Z-Fi for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:05:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KCOsJ-00027R-2X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:05:11 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KCOsH-00026Z-BK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:05:10 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=51425 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KCOsH-00026W-6Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:05:09 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp11.dentaku.gol.com ([203.216.5.73]:37643) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KCOs8-0004z1-Vo; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:05:01 -0400 Original-Received: from 218.33.235.76.eo.eaccess.ne.jp ([218.33.235.76] helo=catnip.gol.com) by smtp11.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) id 1KCOs6-0001hD-Fb; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 10:04:58 +0900 Original-Received: by catnip.gol.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6F6922F3A; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 10:04:57 +0900 (JST) System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: <878wwqwj5v.fsf@jurta.org> (Juri Linkov's message of "Sat, 28 Jun 2008 02:30:04 +0300") Original-Lines: 26 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:100081 Archived-At: Juri Linkov writes: >> One temporary non-saved buffer for all that does not accumulate more >> than a specified maximum (similar to *Messages*) should be fine, I >> think. > > Everyone has different needs in different circumstances. I often execute > long-running programs in background and want to see their output, but > don't care about output when running GUI apps. Ther could be a variable (e.g. "command-name-default-discard-output") which controls that behavior, and C-u could invert the sense of that default. When _not_ discarding output, I think in general it should (1) always make a new buffer (to allow convenient use of multiple simultaneous background commands), and (2) maybe bury the buffer at first. That might satisfy all the viewpoints expressed thus far (you: default nil, C-u for occasional gui app, me: default t, C-u for debugging). -Miles -- `...the Soviet Union was sliding in to an economic collapse so comprehensive that in the end its factories produced not goods but bads: finished products less valuable than the raw materials they were made from.' [The Economist]