From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thien-Thi Nguyen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Release plans Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:57:14 +0200 Message-ID: <87k5e2o3hh.fsf@ambire.localdomain> References: <20080816213508.GA8530@muc.de> <87hc9ka8eg.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080817073124.GA1294@muc.de> <87ljyv5gy5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080818101802.GA2615@muc.de> <87bpzqqk7b.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080818210927.GD2615@muc.de> <87wsidnxqp.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080819155221.GA11524@muc.de> <871w0dcg6j.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080825220105.GA13599@muc.de> <87prnwgyvc.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1219853113 11028 80.91.229.12 (27 Aug 2008 16:05:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:05:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 27 18:06:06 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KYNWU-00031w-QI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:05:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58050 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KYNVW-0007vu-DS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:04:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KYNRg-0006tC-Ey for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:00:32 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KYNRe-0006sY-1k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:00:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=50502 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KYNRd-0006sU-DM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:00:29 -0400 Original-Received: from [151.61.143.16] (port=41664 helo=ambire.localdomain) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KYNRb-0001Ne-60 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:00:27 -0400 Original-Received: from ttn by ambire.localdomain with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KYNOV-0000WS-64; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:57:15 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87prnwgyvc.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (Stephen J. Turnbull's message of "Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:54:15 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:103024 Archived-At: () "Stephen J. Turnbull" () Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:54:15 +0900 Some people hate unfree software so much that they impose constraints on the use of their software by others, and claim that the net result is somehow an increase in freedom when in fact there is a clear decrease in options available to users. This characterization doesn't cleanly apply in this case; i'd like to point out that the ban on the addition of dynamic loading to Emacs is not an imposition on all Emacs users, only on those users who hack Emacs and write to its repo. All other users are not so constrained. FWIW, i stand w/ the ban mostly due to personal ineptitude: i can't imagine (though i've tried) any coroutine that could not be supervised through a repl to a subprocess. Moreover, i believe everything useful moves to a network protocol eventually. This includes not just functionality, but methodology. Now that DVCs are on the rise, it's no big deal to flourish your Emacs without having to "write to its repo". thi