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From: Juri Linkov <juri@jurta.org>
To: Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>
Cc: Tom Tromey <tromey@redhat.com>, Ken Raeburn <raeburn@raeburn.org>,
	Emacs development discussions <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: advice needed for multi-threading patch
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 02:27:02 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87k50nh6ax.fsf@mail.jurta.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8763c7lh4p.fsf@catnip.gol.com> (Miles Bader's message of "Sat, 29 Aug 2009 07:15:34 +0900")

>>> 15 years ago there were grand plans, but... dunno about now.
>>> It's a different world in many ways.
>>
>> AFAIK, Guile and Scheme as a whole still flourish these days,
>
> There are a huge number of scheme implementations now; even thinking
> just about scheme, is guile still competitive?

Among all Scheme implementations Guile is in the same position
as bzr among all DVCSs - it is the "official" selection for the
GNU project.

>> and the only serious contender is Clojure that could integrate
>> with Emacs the same way as it does with Java.
>
> Why?  There are tons of random little languages around now,

Clojure is a little language with a big impact.

> some very popular (i.e., javascript), many not so much.

JavaScript is not Lisp.

> Clojure is not scheme, so why is it any better than those?

Clojure is not Scheme, but Clojure is Lisp, like Emacs Lisp is.

> [Compatibility with the java runtime is important for some people, but
> AFAIK, not for Emacs!]

True, but I thought about replacing its Java VM part with Emacs.
Anyway, this point is moot, since Clojure concurrency relies on
Java threads, but Emacs has no threads yet.  At least, Clojure
is a good example how concurrency with STM, agent, atoms and
dynamic var systems could be implemented in Emacs.

-- 
Juri Linkov
http://www.jurta.org/emacs/




  reply	other threads:[~2009-08-28 23:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-08-26  4:38 advice needed for multi-threading patch Tom Tromey
2009-08-26  7:06 ` Ken Raeburn
2009-08-26 14:52   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-26 18:50     ` Ken Raeburn
2009-08-27  3:12       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-27  6:28         ` Ken Raeburn
2009-08-27 17:02           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-26 16:08   ` Tom Tromey
2009-08-26 18:50     ` Ken Raeburn
2009-08-27  5:07       ` Miles Bader
2009-08-27  6:39         ` Ken Raeburn
2009-08-27  6:50           ` Miles Bader
2009-08-28 20:48             ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-28 22:15               ` Miles Bader
2009-08-28 23:27                 ` Juri Linkov [this message]
2009-08-28 23:54                   ` Miles Bader
2009-08-29 20:21                 ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-26 15:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-26 15:31   ` Tom Tromey
2009-08-26 19:18     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-09-18 22:59       ` Tom Tromey
2009-09-19  0:09         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-09-19  0:32         ` Chong Yidong
2009-09-21 21:19         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-09-21 21:50           ` Tom Tromey
2009-09-22 14:24             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-09-22 23:59               ` Ken Raeburn
2009-09-23  3:11                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-09-23 15:53                 ` Chong Yidong
2009-09-23  3:16               ` Tom Tromey
2009-09-24 17:25                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-09-24 17:57                   ` Tom Tromey
2009-09-27 20:59                   ` Tom Tromey
2009-09-27 23:05                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-09-28  4:27                       ` Tom Tromey
2009-09-29  0:27                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-09-29  2:26                           ` Ken Raeburn
2009-09-29  3:20                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-09-29  3:57                               ` Ken Raeburn
2009-09-29  3:33                             ` Tom Tromey
2009-09-29  4:07                               ` Ken Raeburn
2009-09-29  2:30                           ` Tom Tromey
2009-09-23 18:43               ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2009-09-24 17:29                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-09-24 18:53                   ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2009-09-24 20:04                     ` Tom Tromey
2009-09-24 21:59                       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-09-24 22:23                       ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2009-09-24 22:47                       ` Ken Raeburn
2009-09-28 14:52                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-10-05  6:02                       ` joakim
2009-09-28  7:44               ` Lynbech Christian
2009-08-29  0:28 ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2009-08-29  4:57   ` Tom Tromey

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