From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tassilo Horn Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gentoo GNU/Linux and non-free packages Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 15:44:50 +0100 Message-ID: <87k4vs7j19.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> References: <87ocl9wqjp.fsf_-_@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <201bac3a1001051610t25a1a767v79398943193c3e89@mail.gmail.com> <87iqbexqgi.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <20100108000622.GA1426@fencepost.localnet> <873a2h7xlk.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <20100108111454.GC1426@fencepost.localnet> <87r5q07qe9.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <20100108124440.GE1426@fencepost.localnet> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1262962090 22073 80.91.229.12 (8 Jan 2010 14:48:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:48:10 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 08 15:48:03 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NTG88-0005Vr-JK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 15:48:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53460 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NTG88-0003LU-VF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 09:48:00 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NTG5K-0007nG-2W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 09:45:06 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NTG5E-0007eh-FD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 09:45:04 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=52018 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NTG5E-0007eP-9v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 09:45:00 -0500 Original-Received: from out4.smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.28]:55457) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NTG5D-0003H0-Vy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 09:45:00 -0500 Original-Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.internal [10.202.2.41]) by gateway1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37F7AC98BD for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 09:44:59 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from heartbeat1.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.160]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 08 Jan 2010 09:44:59 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=messagingengine.com; h=from:to:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=smtpout; bh=LjyrARjWWUCPeYYuFicEkm8tSR8=; b=XZ2r+NsF+9u2DWnDlvjhjgfRovE8wXIWJIDPMa56NvwKaFk+QF13Ifs8HupsPRtrg0PggNBSlwunRTNtpCGvR9gJpAzE0EDv2xzPCclJG+x7ndqz7jFAqeYbfY9ibltpc4YV2nFIKqdZiOWdC+f/3xLUaMwYNWOq2qhfj7r/x3M= X-Sasl-enc: SseD5BO8lHV/DxhLOqnEI2l9532zlPs1F6Ckl92NApIR 1262961898 Original-Received: from thinkpad.tsdh.de (p54AF1F8E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.175.31.142]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 081EB4C004B for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 09:44:57 -0500 (EST) Mail-Copies-To: never Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <20100108124440.GE1426@fencepost.localnet> (Marek Aaron Sapota's message of "Fri, 8 Jan 2010 07:44:40 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.91 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:119699 Archived-At: Marek Aaron Sapota writes: > On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 12:56:13PM +0100, Tassilo Horn wrote: >> I've just checked xorg-x11, and it has only hard dependencies to fonts >> licensed under the MIT license or public domain. I guess, I've set some >> use flag, which enables this additional dependency. > > I've just checked what I have removed from the ebuild: Bigelow & Holmes > fonts - they are now labelled as MIT licensed. Unless the license was > changed recently it is incorrect, this fonts didn't permit changing them > if I remember right. Is that the correct license? http://www.xfree86.org/current/LICENSE11.html Looks quite MIT-style to me. Do what you want, but keep this copyright notice. >> > To be a Free Distribution Gentoo would have to show commitment to >> > Free Software and they clearly don't. >> >> The social contract does: > > In practice try installing Netbeans and see how it fails on > proprietary dependences. I only had a brief look, but it seems it fails because of the license groups aren't complete yet. I checked some required but license masked packages, and they were all free, although not GPL compatible, e.g. CDDL, Apache... Oh, well, there are some of those jsr packages (Java Specification Request). As far as I understand from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_Community_Process those are reference implementations to new java features, which might eventually be included in the java language spec. What would be interesting, is to know if the usual netbeans installer comes with and installs those proprietary addons. If yes, then we should thank Gentoo for making us aware of those. Bye, Tassilo