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From: Paul R <paul.r.ml@gmail.com>
To: Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>
Cc: alinsoar@voila.fr, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>,
	Emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: redisplay system of emacs
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:04:42 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87k4v1xm4l.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87vdem8gly.fsf@catnip.gol.com

Hello,

> Note that mozilla's display engine makes some dramatically different
> assumptions about what is important for the display engine to do.


I found a related discussion in a previous thread, mid-2009 :

  http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2009-07/threads.html#00344


As many emacs youngsters, I feel that emacs really uses too much
home-made code. Surprisingly, Emacs does not benefit that much from the
free software ecosystem. This is certainly connected to the fact that it
has been ahead of its time in many aspects, so it had to build its own
bricks without waiting for others to provide them. But in the meantime
some things has changed, high quality generic free software fragments
has entered the game. Entrusting them rather than home-made code would
certainly be a big job, but would instantly enlarge emacs (indirect)
contributors list.


> Most importantly, it does the layout and display calculation for the
> _entire page_ at once. Emacs, by contrast does it on the fly for the
> small amount being displayed at the moment.

> Mozilla's method allows some nice things -- for instance it makes much
> more complicated layout tractable -- but it really really sucks for
> huge files, and in general probably isn't such a good idea if the
> document tends to change a lot in real time. Emacs' method, by
> contrast works really well for those cases.

The performance of those engines has gotten surprisingly good, and is
still improving at a very fast rate. I would be interested to have some
real-case benchmarks. In the meantime I pasted the whole wikipedia
article into http://ckeditor.com/demo then edited some text in the
middle of the page. It was not blazing fast to be honnest, but still
usable on my 10 years old hardware.

-- 
  Paul




  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-01-29 10:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 162+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-01-28  0:19 redisplay system of emacs alin.s
2010-01-28  4:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-28  9:07   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-28 11:27     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-28 11:47       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-28 12:43         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-28 12:53           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-28 14:10             ` Miles Bader
2010-01-28 15:04               ` alin.s
2010-01-28 22:34               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-29 10:04               ` Paul R [this message]
2010-01-29 10:17                 ` David Kastrup
2010-01-29 10:23                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-29 10:30                     ` David Kastrup
2010-01-29 13:18                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-29 11:03                     ` Miles Bader
2010-01-29 11:38                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-29 15:10                         ` Miles Bader
2010-01-29 17:30                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-29 10:48                   ` Paul R
2010-01-29 11:01                     ` David Kastrup
2010-01-29 18:19                   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-29 11:35                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-29 13:06                   ` Paul R
2010-01-29 13:10                     ` David Kastrup
2010-01-29 13:45                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-29 15:28                     ` Chong Yidong
2010-01-29 18:35                     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-29 18:56                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-01-30 11:46                         ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-30 12:51                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-01-30 15:39                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-30 19:21                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-01-30 21:31                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-31  9:32                               ` David Kastrup
2010-01-31 12:41                             ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-29 19:53                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-30 18:04                         ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-30 18:39                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-30 10:34                       ` Fabian Ezequiel Gallina
2010-01-30 10:52                         ` David Kastrup
2010-01-30 21:18                         ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-29 13:07                   ` David Kastrup
2010-01-28  5:10 ` Ken Hori
2010-01-28 12:10 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-28 13:41   ` alin.s
2010-01-28 14:50     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-02-12  8:31 ` alin.s
2010-02-12 12:10   ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-02-12 13:41     ` alin.s
2010-02-12 12:49   ` Jan Djärv
2010-02-12 13:30     ` alin.s
2010-02-12 14:25       ` Jan Djärv
2010-02-12 14:37         ` alin.s
2010-02-12 14:53         ` alin.s
2010-02-12 15:11           ` Jan Djärv
2010-02-12 15:31             ` David Kastrup
2010-02-12 15:55               ` Jan Djärv
2010-02-12 16:53               ` alin.s
2010-02-12 18:55                 ` David Kastrup
2010-02-14 19:13                   ` alin.s
2010-02-17 13:14                     ` Chong Yidong
2010-02-23  0:45                       ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2010-02-23  3:01                         ` David Reitter
2010-02-23  3:34                           ` Tom Tromey
2010-02-23 14:31                         ` Richard Stallman
2010-03-05 22:53                         ` Concurrency (was: redisplay system of emacs) Stefan Monnier
2010-03-05 22:57                           ` Andreas Schwab
2010-03-11 14:18                           ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2010-03-25 16:49                           ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2010-03-26 17:10                             ` Concurrency Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-26 19:37                               ` Concurrency Tom Tromey
2010-03-27  3:00                                 ` Concurrency Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-27 13:33                                   ` Concurrency Stefan Monnier
2010-03-29 18:18                                     ` Concurrency Tom Tromey
2010-03-28 19:40                                   ` Concurrency Tom Tromey
2010-03-28 20:03                                     ` Concurrency Stefan Monnier
2010-03-28 20:25                                       ` Concurrency Davis Herring
2010-03-28 20:54                                         ` Concurrency Giuseppe Scrivano
2010-03-28 23:18                                           ` Concurrency Stefan Monnier
2010-03-29 10:04                                             ` Concurrency Giuseppe Scrivano
2010-03-29 15:37                                               ` Concurrency Tom Tromey
2010-03-29 16:16                                                 ` Concurrency Stefan Monnier
2010-03-29 16:36                                                   ` Concurrency Ken Raeburn
2010-03-29 17:41                                                     ` Concurrency Stefan Monnier
2010-03-29 16:33                                                 ` Concurrency Ken Raeburn
2010-03-29 16:58                                                   ` Concurrency Tom Tromey
2010-03-29 17:46                                                     ` Concurrency Stefan Monnier
2010-03-29 17:37                                                 ` Concurrency Giuseppe Scrivano
2010-03-29 18:21                                                   ` Concurrency Stefan Monnier
2010-03-28 21:19                                         ` Concurrency Tom Tromey
2010-03-28 21:22                                         ` Concurrency Daniel Colascione
2010-03-28 23:20                                           ` Concurrency Stefan Monnier
2010-03-29  2:18                                           ` Concurrency Tom Tromey
2010-03-28 21:17                                       ` Concurrency Tom Tromey
2010-03-29 16:25                                         ` Concurrency Ken Raeburn
2010-03-29 16:49                                           ` Concurrency Tom Tromey
2010-03-29 17:39                                             ` Concurrency Stefan Monnier
2010-03-31 17:13                                         ` gsoc for concurrent Emacs? (was: Concurrency) Ted Zlatanov
2010-04-01  9:45                                           ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2010-03-28 21:04                                     ` Concurrency Giuseppe Scrivano
2010-03-28 21:25                                     ` Concurrency Daniel Colascione
2010-03-29  2:20                                       ` Concurrency Tom Tromey
2010-02-14 19:25                   ` redisplay system of emacs alin.s
2010-02-16 16:40                 ` Davis Herring
2010-02-16 19:20                   ` grischka
2010-02-16 19:55                     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2010-02-17 13:56                       ` alin.s
2010-02-16 20:00                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-16 20:56                       ` grischka
2010-02-17  4:20                         ` Eli Zaretskii
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-01-29 19:48 grischka
2010-01-30  5:39 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-30  9:53   ` David Kastrup
2010-01-30 11:01     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-30 11:08       ` David Kastrup
2010-01-30 11:54         ` Paul R
2010-01-30 13:52           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-30 11:24       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-30 12:53       ` Alan Mackenzie
2010-01-30  9:57   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-30 11:46 ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-30 12:11   ` Paul R
2010-01-30 13:26     ` Alan Mackenzie
2010-01-30 13:42       ` David Kastrup
2010-01-30 13:49       ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-01-30 13:54       ` Paul R
2010-01-30 15:15         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-30 15:07       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-31 12:41     ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-31 16:36       ` grischka
2010-02-01 21:06         ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-02  3:32           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-02-02 21:21             ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-02 21:42               ` David Kastrup
2010-02-03  0:24                 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-02-03  6:45                   ` David Kastrup
2010-02-03 13:34                 ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-03 14:15                   ` David Kastrup
2010-02-03 14:18                     ` Daniel Colascione
2010-02-04 11:01                       ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-03  2:48               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-02-03 12:19                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-02-04 11:00                   ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-04 11:06                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-02-05 12:44                       ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-05 18:37                         ` grischka
2010-02-03 13:34                 ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-03 17:26                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-02-03 17:45                     ` David Kastrup
2010-02-03 18:35                     ` grischka
2010-02-03 18:36                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-02-03 19:03                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-02-03 20:31                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-02-03 20:37                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-02-04  8:23                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-02-04 23:18                         ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-05  5:46                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-02-04 11:01                     ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-04 11:38                       ` David Kastrup
2010-02-05 19:08                         ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-04 12:28                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull

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