From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: AW: delete-selection-mode Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:41:19 +0900 Message-ID: <87k4tapd0w.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: <87ocitw2dl.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <201003130001.o2D01FFQ003489@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <87vdd1yqe4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87eijjzrkd.fsf_-_@mail.jurta.org> <874okf8dep.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <7697A57B1AD9104F993CDF6A5B69430C0A70E50872@CORPMAIL08.corp.capgemini.com> <87eijj6ok7.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1268880095 21132 80.91.229.12 (18 Mar 2010 02:41:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 02:41:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 18 03:41:30 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ns5fu-00049v-HI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 03:41:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35039 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ns5ft-0002fe-L9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:41:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ns5fp-0002eh-E6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:41:25 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=47676 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ns5fo-0002dv-84 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:41:25 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ns5fn-0004WE-1J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:41:24 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp12.dentaku.gol.com ([203.216.5.74]:60751) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ns5fk-0004Vm-TV; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:41:21 -0400 Original-Received: from 218.231.253.174.eo.eaccess.ne.jp ([218.231.253.174] helo=catnip.gol.com) by smtp12.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) id 1Ns5fk-0005ZE-0Z; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:41:20 +0900 Original-Received: by catnip.gol.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 63AACDF23; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:41:19 +0900 (JST) System-Type: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: <87eijj6ok7.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (David Kastrup's message of "Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:54:48 +0100") Original-Lines: 20 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122132 Archived-At: David Kastrup writes: > If they offer real, fast and powerful refactoring, code navigation and > other goodies, then the way to compete with them is to add powerful > refactoring, code navigation and other goodies to Emacs. If we make > Emacs the same as them, only worse, that won't help us. Yes, I agree with this. Looking at questions by Emacs noobs (e.g. on #emacs), people by and large _don't_ seem to ask "how do I make the little thing exactly the same as X" -- they generally seem to understand that Emacs is a bit different, and are prepared (and often almost excited) to deal with that. What gets asked much more often is "How do I make Emacs do ?" -Miles -- The car has become... an article of dress without which we feel uncertain, unclad, and incomplete. [Marshall McLuhan, Understanding Media, 1964]