From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jason Rumney Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: delete-selection-mode Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 10:02:52 +0800 Message-ID: <87k4t92hmb.fsf@home.jasonrumney.net> References: <87ocitw2dl.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <201003130001.o2D01FFQ003489@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <87vdd1yqe4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87eijjzrkd.fsf_-_@mail.jurta.org> <20100317143519.GB4381@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1268964200 14291 80.91.229.12 (19 Mar 2010 02:03:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 02:03:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, lennart.borgman@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, juri@jurta.org, dann@ics.uci.edu, Stefan Monnier , acm@muc.de To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 19 03:03:13 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NsRYO-0006Iu-Vw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 03:03:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58208 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NsRYO-0001Py-Ha for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:03:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NsRYI-0001Ne-Lp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:03:06 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=45127 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NsRYF-0001IO-IO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:03:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NsRYD-00068k-AT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:03:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ew0-f216.google.com ([209.85.219.216]:52665) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NsRYD-00068g-3V; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:03:01 -0400 Original-Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so1531891ewy.8 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:03:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:received:from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent :mime-version:content-type; bh=gtEriQy8jr1U9gxmBvDOtf4BaVXrrrocQDuOoKorHhQ=; b=Ki/ED4PhsrpQ0h8IvkJT3RO5cfdboN7+HCEcqGMUI5AS3QGEtZ64b60ny0NUzxS1uB VAbe3datCgGQMWAoYN3smCXCVC1i+Z0F24haV3eWoe2f72rs877eQAeOujfdxCPlVwNv 2yvMzQGjxPXd47BITdjjo4UM16TUwOqb8akkw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; b=MawzSsZS6vArRJhLsZhyDiQxTuRE84wrNkntyVDYsTmP+N2Mtb2fo88tIfzSBjfJMv pn7sraDrTa+0NO5DBVXDEJWMCcESA3/DQqqof+3cSDlEmDdsW3DsyeRpViJ/lmUC6zzK hINPvzSLHz141TqJad5a8Z6NFCY4jKfmAuC8c= Original-Received: by 10.213.104.96 with SMTP id n32mr2212580ebo.4.1268964180073; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:03:00 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from home.jasonrumney.net ([202.87.221.133]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm98907ewy.14.2010.03.18.19.02.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:02:57 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by home.jasonrumney.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5A8A71B6C; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 10:02:52 +0800 (MYT) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:37:20 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122240 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > Is this true even when the region has been activated by keyboard commands? > If so, perhaps it is a bug. Perhaps the feature should only apply when > you make the region using the mouse. I think it should also apply when the region is made using the S-arrow keys, as that is another common way of making a region which we have provided for those same new users. Personally I think that the traditional Emacs way of setting mark should have neither delete-selection nor transient-mark by default. The reason is that Emacs has two distinct uses for the mark - as a mark, and as one end of the region. Transient-mark-mode and delete-selection-mode really only apply when the mark is used as one end of the region, and get in the way when the intention is to use the mark as a mark.