From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: MS-Windows build broken in Fmake_network_process Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2010 00:39:35 +0900 Message-ID: <87k4sssdoo.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <83634jglab.fsf@gnu.org> <83tys2fbxs.fsf@gnu.org> <87hbo1iubm.fsf@home.jasonrumney.net> <83ljddg0w9.fsf@gnu.org> <4BAE867D.3030404@gmail.com> <4BAE9ED4.6070900@t-online.de> <87tys12sdy.fsf@telefonica.net> <87y6h9rsuc.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83bpe4zy13.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1270050842 21972 80.91.229.12 (31 Mar 2010 15:54:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:54:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Juanma Barranquero Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 31 17:53:56 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nx0Eq-00012g-UT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:53:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45891 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nx0Eo-00014D-IP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:53:50 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Nx01M-00014J-Dr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:39:56 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=38007 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nx01D-0000w8-WE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:39:55 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nx012-0006Jo-UC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:39:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.223]:44267) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nx00w-0006Gi-GK; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:39:33 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 340C51535AE; Thu, 1 Apr 2010 00:39:28 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id EF31C1A38CA; Thu, 1 Apr 2010 00:39:35 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM 8.0.12-devo-585 under 21.5 (beta29) "garbanzo" a03421eb562b XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122978 Archived-At: Juanma Barranquero writes: > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 10:38, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > I fail to see how these #ifdefs should be more annoying than similar > > ones for Posix systems. > > Ah. Because they are *not* for Posix systems, you know. C'mon, Juanma, don't egg him on. It's not about POSIX vs. non-POSIX, it's about free vs. non-free, which is long-standing Emacs policy (not to mention the whole purpose for GNU in the first place). It is still a good thing to support a bit of freedom in the unfree world (as long as the net result is more migration from unfree to free software), and it is still a good thing to provide free software to people who are sufficiently poor that they remain dependent on Windows 9x systems, and may not be sufficiently literate in English or French to have easy access to free software advocacy etc. But you have to balance those somewhat nebulous goods against the costs, which are non-zero (though IMO they're nowhere near as big as the anti-Windows activists would have it).