From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jason Rumney Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Key bindings proposal Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 21:27:52 +0800 Message-ID: <87k4o6v76v.fsf@home.jasonrumney.net> References: <19534.1494.627000.357123@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19537.40472.267000.563053@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <176EDAD3B9E54E39870FA3F84A5DDF3C@us.oracle.com> <19542.56658.583000.394397@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19544.1015.468000.280770@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <87lj8nsndb.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <19545.14451.62000.682223@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <4C594CD4.9090107@swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1280928495 32089 80.91.229.12 (4 Aug 2010 13:28:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 13:28:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Uday S Reddy , joakim@verona.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org, "Stephen J. Turnbull" , Jan =?utf-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= , Drew Adams To: Lennart Borgman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 04 15:28:12 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oge0x-0008Ni-4B for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 15:28:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60422 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Oge0w-0007UJ-6N for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 09:28:10 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=33832 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Oge0n-0007TA-OW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 09:28:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oge0m-0005sz-MD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 09:28:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com ([209.85.210.41]:35096) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oge0m-0005sn-Gf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 09:28:00 -0400 Original-Received: by pzk33 with SMTP id 33so4502687pzk.0 for ; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 06:27:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:received:from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent :mime-version:content-type; bh=atZbzRycs5sh5odjRJJZQU5Yolz2V+sTYU5fd27iB6k=; b=fqVk8aWQd9KYWR9Eqd/RM+Y/MwxOcHhrkQYJxMGoKy55avZ1/yRxlsRVm+T96eLTx7 8HcqGddtm1Ft4kvWgAgcVIzbhJaL4q3w01iM9h5DCxjtp3/itjZvKRp/SpfxjtwLJQWQ R1dfq6Rme1ArdKfnoWW9aFf+V7M1EclwEz6Lk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; b=Q8rihDWg7eUB9HtIkmv6L5nA4uJkmp6jUXpvUv2lTODp95FC9+eV/n7kAkI9zGmjDa dAZhEawo3mUxkkJefW4gPj46BNgD6vnUW6GaVTJKjbp++RAq6fnJGUwsx5Bf1z2EuiFZ 9ny4HliZT3cKb+hfq+ljlp8WziN8G/mkF3foU= Original-Received: by 10.115.47.13 with SMTP id z13mr10727026waj.30.1280928479600; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 06:27:59 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from home.jasonrumney.net ([202.87.221.130]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s5sm15881524wak.12.2010.08.04.06.27.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 04 Aug 2010 06:27:58 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by home.jasonrumney.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0C2F0553; Wed, 4 Aug 2010 21:27:52 +0800 (MYT) In-Reply-To: (Lennart Borgman's message of "Wed, 4 Aug 2010 13:27:55 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:128238 Archived-At: Lennart Borgman writes: > OK, I should of course have written "normal way". Most users on w32 > never ever use f10 to access the menus. They use the Alt key. Have you polled them? Most users on w32 that I've met only ever use the mouse. But that is just anecdotal evidence, and I wouldn't pretend to guess what proportion of those who use the keyboard use F10 vs Alt vs the Ctrl shortcuts.