From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chong Yidong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Key bindings proposal Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:21:21 -0400 Message-ID: <87k4nv7t72.fsf@stupidchicken.com> References: <19534.1494.627000.357123@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <176EDAD3B9E54E39870FA3F84A5DDF3C@us.oracle.com> <19542.56658.583000.394397@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19544.1015.468000.280770@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19546.30901.687000.971249@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19546.47167.15000.439215@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <87fwys7qao.fsf@telefonica.net> <87hbj8qvd9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87iq3k68ye.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <874of466rj.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87pqxsbrie.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1281626505 18437 80.91.229.12 (12 Aug 2010 15:21:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 15:21:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Uday S Reddy , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lennart Borgman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 12 17:21:43 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OjZbB-0002ym-PG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2010 17:21:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33998 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OjZbB-0006PB-3x for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:21:41 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=37220 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OjZb2-0006NK-9t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:21:33 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OjZb1-0004Pv-5A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:21:32 -0400 Original-Received: from pantheon-po45.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.79]:33221) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OjZb1-0004Pd-3X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:21:31 -0400 Original-Received: from furry (dhcp128036014221.central.yale.edu [128.36.14.221]) (authenticated bits=0) by pantheon-po45.its.yale.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id o7CFLMPP017392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:21:22 -0400 Original-Received: by furry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7B16E16D402; Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:21:21 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Lennart Borgman's message of "Mon, 9 Aug 2010 16:50:33 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2c (attachment(s) not renamed) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:128575 Archived-At: Lennart Borgman writes: >>> - Alt-TAB is very important, at least on w32. It switches application >>> (or rather application level window). >>> - Alt+Letter (or Alt and then Letter) is used to open menus. >> >> Again, how is this different from other platforms? > > I think you know the other platforms better. > > What is unclear to you in this respect? I have not seen anything that > I would regard as seriously doubt here of what I wrote above. None of your points are Windows specific. On POSIX platforms, Alt-TAB is used commonly with to switch windows, and Alt-LETTER to open menus. But your proposed solution is myopically focused on Windows, and I have not seen a good explanation of why it should be so. > But one important thing to notice is that on w32 there is one window > manager (with just small variations relevant here). This means that > most people on w32 expects the common standards to work, especially > those above. (I.e. if they are keyboard users and I guess those > interested in Emacs are that.) Hijacking the Windows key is not exactly following the "common standards".