From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: proposal to make null string handling more emacs-y Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:28:59 +0900 Message-ID: <87k414s4t0.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1335335352 2218 80.91.229.3 (25 Apr 2012 06:29:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 06:29:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Steve Yegge Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 25 08:29:11 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SMviv-0008V7-H8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 08:29:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60529 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SMviu-0005TR-S1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 02:29:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:52830) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SMvir-0005Sq-Oj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 02:29:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SMviq-00028h-65 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 02:29:05 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp11.dentaku.gol.com ([203.216.5.73]:56395) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SMvip-00028U-Tn; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 02:29:04 -0400 Original-Received: from 218.231.154.2.eo.eaccess.ne.jp ([218.231.154.2] helo=catnip.gol.com) by smtp11.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) (envelope-from ) id 1SMvin-0005F9-6V; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:29:01 +0900 Original-Received: by catnip.gol.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1AB32DFC1; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:29:00 +0900 (JST) System-Type: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: (Steve Yegge's message of "Tue, 24 Apr 2012 17:24:57 -0700") Original-Lines: 14 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 203.216.5.73 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:149979 Archived-At: Steve Yegge writes: > * it's Lispy. Yes, most Lisp dialects got strings wrong, but that > shouldn't stop us. Strings are just character sequences, and whether > you like it or not, the nil/empty-list equivalence is part of Emacs's > soul. Throwing an error on a nil string is a radical departure from > the core philosophy. That's a pretty dubious claim... -miles -- A zen-buddhist walked into a pizza shop and said, "Make me one with everything."