From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "William G. Gardella" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Frequently Enabled Packages - Emacs-24.4 survey (Please participate) Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2013 13:46:57 +0000 Message-ID: <87k3fei1bi.fsf@motoko.kusanagi> References: <87ppp7nqqa.fsf@gmail.com> <87k3ffm18p.fsf@motoko.kusanagi> <87d2l6zkdp.fsf@gmail.com> <877gbek34z.fsf@motoko.kusanagi> <87ob4qy34k.fsf@gmail.com> <87wqjeilvf.fsf@motoko.kusanagi> <877gbe4bhk.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1386596870 31913 80.91.229.3 (9 Dec 2013 13:47:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 13:47:50 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 09 14:47:54 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Vq1Bc-0005uk-DR for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Dec 2013 14:47:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43826 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vq1Bc-0001Ca-0p for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Dec 2013 08:47:48 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36790) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vq1BI-000177-Gh for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Dec 2013 08:47:35 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vq1B9-0004bE-Lo for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Dec 2013 08:47:28 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:37563) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vq1B9-0004b6-Et for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Dec 2013 08:47:19 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Vq1B5-0005fG-Bb for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Dec 2013 14:47:15 +0100 Original-Received: from bolobolo1.torservers.net ([96.47.226.20]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 09 Dec 2013 14:47:15 +0100 Original-Received: from wgg2 by bolobolo1.torservers.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 09 Dec 2013 14:47:15 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 27 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: bolobolo1.torservers.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:82hU8gWW2W7rI/tdexMb24FARsQ= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:94902 Archived-At: Jambunathan K writes: > Whose drudgery? The drudgery you're subjecting survey respondents to, and the drudgery you're subjecting emacswiki administrators and editors to as they fix problems in the document (read the talk page for the survey). > You have no respect for 90+ who has participated in the survey. On the contrary, I respect them enough that I want to lower the barrier for participation, have a more accurate survey, and *use and improve upon the automation that already exists* for documenting what modes and features Emacs users are using. Turnout is pretty low because participation is onerous. Low turnout, along with expecting people to enter the data manually, will unfortunately contribute to an inaccurate result. > You are angry at my stupidity. You can do better. I already suggested a very simple way to do better. Use the self-documenting editor to, you know, document itself, as M-x report-emacs-bug already does for minor modes, loaded features, and other information on Emacs's state. If having an editor wedded to a Lisp environment is as good as we think it is (and I certainly think so), then there must be a better way to document our configurations than updating a website table by hand.